scion = neutered...i guess i'm buying something else...thanks for nothing Toyota...

Derp...is that a negatitive comment?

I don't care about the Scion badge but I really don't like the no haggle price policy they have. That alone will probably force me into the Subie version.

I'm come to realize that with the FT-86 being a low volume car, that most dealers won't see a whole lot of them at any given point...meaning a waiting list....meaning dealer markup because other turds will pay the premium to have it first.

Scion can't do that.

When I worked at a yota dealership there was a waiting list for the tC of buyers who were set on buying the car. Everyone paid the same price though.

Yeah this is a little late and OT, but you are just plain wrong. The US MKIV Supra was offered with vvti. How do I know? I owned one, and it was not a jdm swap. It was stock off the lot

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Macavely, when Honda introduced Acura, they did it with a performance aspect in mind, the NSX! How did Toyota introduce Scion... on a website aimed at 8-15 yrs and to new buyers who are not familar with Toyota.

There is nothing that screams performance when it comes to Scion b/c that wasn't their original intention. Now they are trying to introduce "performance" now... It's a little too late for that, the stigma is already set!

And about me not being a car person!?! I've been into cars way before you were a spec on your moma's chin homie! :slap: :bellyroll:

Then you owned the very rare '98 model that was sold for only half a year. That's the only MY that came to U.S. with the updated trim and options. Was unaware it came with the VVT-i 2JZ though. Pretty sure the GTE didn't have it though.

People don't understand that the no haggle is there to help them.


Something I just thought about. Why the Toyota Purist say nothing about the engine. It's not powered by a Toyota engine, yet no one is upset about that. LOL...some might even go as far to say it's not even a Toyota since it has a less than reliable (compared to Toyota motors) Subaru powerplant in it.

Your ready to shoot over a badge and claim dilution of branding, but the engine isn't even a Toyota engine, but that's ok. I would much rather have a Toyota powerplant.

I see your point. I just think that as long as you don't have to be an early adopter and can wait 6 months to a year then you'll be able to negotiate a Subie version cheaper.

Especially since the current crop of Subaru designers are hot garbage and the Subie will probably be ugly as sin. ;)

actually quite a few were upset about that, for proof you can go to the club4ag forums or the engine and drivetrain section of this forum.

regardless, this is irrelevant, because subaru flat-fours have inherent engineering advantages to them. the scion badge does not.

hopefully Toyota (and Yamaha) had a hand in designing the engine for the FT. or at least the heads. give it 11.5:1CR, D4S, solid reliability, and i'll be happy.

I for one am one of those people, but I was more focusing on this forum/thread here of all the "It's about Toyota Heritage" people. I don't see them creating a petition for replacing the engine. It's a petition for replacing a badge...lol. So, as much as they would like to pass this off as "it's about the Toyota purity and getting to it's roots", it's really a displeasure for the cars "image". Has nothing to do with history. If those people were that pure, they would be putting in more energy into getting a Toyota powerplant. Not pissed about a completely different companies heart beat, but you are pissed about being branded as a sibling to Toyota. The sibling is Toyota. I get it now...lol



I would prefer not to be to high on the compression. As long as it holds the boost and has that Toyota reliability, I'm good...:). Guess we shall see.

Haha yea this is starting to sound like when the Eagle Talons came out back in the day from 1995-1999 they had two choices the 4g63T 2.0L that was made by mitsubishi and the 2.0L 420a motor that was made by Chrysler/Dodge, so basically in a Mitsubishi eclipse you had an option of a 4g63T or a 420a chrysler motor which was stupid in my opinion : D

of course, you ignored the perfectly good point i made that the subaru engine has inherent engineering advantages. branding it a scion doesn't. yes, i am displeased at the brand's image. that's what everyone's been saying all along. so what is so wrong about that?