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pretty sure Toyota's making a car that will run in the FIA WTCC and maybe the BTCC also. :D oh how i can't wait for that!

It's Drifting professionally, not many people can aspire or have the desire to go to that level to begin with, no matter what they drive. It's an extremely expensive sport to get into. I use to drift with my 350z before selling it. I will do some with the FT, but don't see myself turning pro with it.

A 350z enthusiast isn't naive enough to think he is going to swap in a Titan V8 into his 350z, gut/cage it, install a hydo-hand brake, dual brakes on the rear...etc, etc...and turn into a pro drifter no more so than a Scion enthusiast turning into a Pro drifter. If you have some idea that this is only a Scion thing, you are mistaken. All the FD top cars are well above anything the normal fan looking from the outside-in, will get to aspire to. You don't get those types of things until you have put in a lot of seat time in your average 240sx at local drift meets. FD is no longer a grassroots event. Takes big $, you would be stupid to think you are going to just walk into FD and be successful.



Why can't you compare? A fast car is a fast car no? What does a 10sec FWD car have in common with a 10sec RWD car? They both run 10secs. Anyhow, I highly doubt you will have the same results building a RWD tC and trying to compare it to a stock Gen 2.0T. That car is pretty heavy. Weight, gear ratio, power...all come into play. If you are speaking generally in terms of same results as being..."they both can get sideways", then again, it's a matter of preference. Do you want to build something, or do you want to buy it. I know the 2.0T shares it's engine with the Evo X, however they are not internally the same. And I'm saying the 2.0T from what I've seen, I am not impressed with it.

A person doing a RWD conversion on a tC is hardly concerned with their warranty....lol. I boosted my second tC after 3 months of having it. I Don't care about warranty.



And you know this from what data you have collected? They would be removing the components from the front and re-installing components that came for the rear. If anything, the weight difference would still come out to be the same in difference between the two.



I answered you. FD RULES bud. No Civic has an AWD chassis, thus does not meet FD rules.

Again, preference. If I or any other person wanted to spend 15k+ on a conversion, it's his/her money to do so. If they want to be different, who's to say they are wrong and you are right? This is no different than asking someone why they build a Civic motor and boost it vs just buying an Evo. Or why they modified their Evo to extreme rather than just buying an R35.

And FYI....there was an exhibition run at the Atlanta FD round where a guy had a RWD Integra.



Deflect your question? How so? I'm not following you, I answered you. Why don't you ask Aasbo, do I look like an Aasbo representative? He has his reasons. tC could be lighter than the Supra, pack the same HP out of the 4cly engine (lighter than the I6 or whatever being run in the Supra). Not saying it can make MORE HP than the Supra, just saying the amount necessary for Drifting it could be ran the same in the 4banger and be in a lighter car. Again, that's just my assumption. You nor I have an answer as to what Aasbo's game plan is.

A driver's main goal is to just drive and not have to worry about financial burdens or mechanical ones....thus getting a team and someone to foot the bill, you will go where there is an open door. And I surely don't surely hope you don't believe Scion is the only company throwing money to drivers. Ford, GM....toss plenty of money into FD.


Then that would equate to calling every forum other than a dedicated FT-86 forum, a forum full of noobs. Since your definition was that they had one thread in it about the FT. How many threads do you think there are over on Infiniti FX, Lexus, Camry, Corolla...etc. forums. It doesn't have to have a crap ton of FT-86 talk on a forum to deem it worthy bro. Not to mention, but there are like 10 Scion enthusiast related forums out there. I'm sure you visited every one of them right?


GT5 > Forza

Who said anything about Drifting only? Hmm...lets see...Time Attack, Road Racing, Endurance racing, Drag....they have records and championships in all the following.

You going to say those aren't Motorsports either? Is that all that you are aware of, is just their Drifting program....Oh my friend, you need to get out a little more often...:)

That's just silly Matador. Of course Drifting is a "Motorsport." Don't be blind simply because you don't like/hate a certain sport. I understand the racing credibility of rally or touring car program but the tC and the FT-86 don't really fall into either of those categories.

The tC gets to be RWD converted because it uses an AWD chassis for it's platform.

And from my limited experience researching RWD conversions, a midrange DIY conversion is $5k-$10k depending on whether you upgrade parts, get custom fabbing, or contract out any of it. A professional RWD conversion for grassroots is often too expensive and therefore wasteful since you could just start out with a RWD car. Most grassroots motorsports ban or discourage FWD->RWD conversions anyway.

lol come on people - if it's a Scion that doesnt mean the design will change. The scion badge will be for U.S. only kinda like how a Acura TSX is a Honda Accord in the rest of the world.

Toyota will make the design as they see fit, make the interior as they see fit, slap a Scion badge on it and tell Scion to sell this car for such and such price range and they are making such and such optional addons or such and such features are optional. The End.

I will say i kinda wish there was an AWD drive option or a system like how the Infiniti G has - RWD but itll activate AWD as needed (awd is very useful for places like...chicago in the winter :( )

Oh not this again Matador. You know full well its an actual motorsport, its just your bias against the sub-subculture that has sprouted from it.

Don't make me bust out official definitions.

Yo Blur.....


Here you go bro. Aasbo joining NFS/Rockstar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yrf...el_video_title

I'm not sure what your trying to say?
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...011-scion.aspx
Thats what I'm referring to.

And since every answer I have to your points is similar, I'll group it . . . you call it being different, but how many Tcs are currently in (big) motorsports . . . ? And nearly all of them are drivetrain converted. Point is, its just unnecessary, they're not being different(I see a scion every time I watch anything), it's not preference and your completely changing what the car was intended to do. Theres barely any benefit over the cost. Its completely useless . . . unless someones paying you to do it. And thats why its fake.

In a perfect world, FD wouldnt be about tube chassis purpose built drift cars with drivetrain swaps, engine swaps etc. These cars barely resemble their counterparts. Scions not the only one to do it, but it is the most obvious one... I mean, I dont think a guy just said, "hey, lets take a scion shell, and put a nascar v8 and drift it; for fun". No, its for $$ from sponsors. And that upsets me.

Preference can only go so far. Calling using Tc for preference is blasphemy.

Also, thanks for clearing the point on other drivetrain converted cars up. I realized shortly after I posted, but there has to be more 4wd chassis that are FWD right now.. that can be converted.

btw: GOOD NEWS! for drifting. Tsuchiya created his own drift league, hopefully this one stays true to grassroots drifting.
http://www.driftinjapan.com/2011/03/...r-and-pro.html

I actually quite enjoy watching drifting. Even more so during and IRC/WRC event. What exactly would be wrong with a tC rallying or doing touring? BTCC in fact use majority fwd cars. Shucks, Toyota UK just donated a few Avensis to be the basis of the NGTC. What exactly would be out of place?

Yeah sure. Drifting is an actual motorsport because you know, they consider figure skating, synchronized swimming and diving sports too.

Motorsport = competing for position, or against the clock. Bust out every fucking definition you want, it will still won't change jack shit.

Rally is awesome, Gymkhana and the Togue spectacular. Why take a technique that one has to subjectively judge and try to make it it's own sport?

It is retarded. Period.


I'm quite aware of their other programs (surprisingly enough, as they aren't exactly big budget), though I'd say they are pumping money into marketing, rather than motorsport. Just my opinion though, and I could give a rats ass what you think, because you figure you're right because you can figuratively shout louder.

In rally there is plenty of car converted to awd to be good in rally, ford fiestas, hyundai tiburon and many many other cars, scion did the same about drift....

Matador lets significantly dial back on profanity and find other means to express angry built up emotions. No reason to go down slippery slope.

so scion has a countdown for a big announcement/unveil at the new york auto show
www.sciondimension.com

That's a pretty nifty clock. I signed up for the update.

Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best.

(btw, lol @ countdown to 4:20)