BTB table Update
 

Here's my current Base Timing B table compared to the table, above, that I started with. You can see how much timing I've pulled from it so far. It's quite a lot. More than I expected anyway.

The load only goes to 1.7 or so. No need to go past 2.0. I have 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, etc on my Ecutek tune for better resolution. I suggest this.

No
 

I have pulled timing because of engine knock that only occurs above 2.0 Engine Load. Look at my post above. I've logged up to 3.82 Engine Load, so I rescaled to 4.0. Both BTB, and KCA tables should be rescaled up to 4.0, so the ECU can compensate accordingly.

Well I'm pretty sure it's maf voltage I'm referring to. Maybe I'm wrong not sure. Anyways a reputable tuner told me the Fa20 does not like high load deltas. As in they will knock badly. Be careful.

Either way your resolution is terrible maybe your limited by Rom Raider idk.

On another topic what kind of pcv and catch can systems do you guys run. Right now I have nothing...

I'm running the mishimoto catch can. As for the check valve.... I can't remember the company and it wasn't cheap for a check valve.


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KNOCKLESS
 

Here are my latest rescaled KCA and BTB tables. Knockless, so far, so they probably need more timing advance.

My ESC for sale: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100623

I'm able to run 22.x degrees at redline, 28 through the midrange with afr around 11.8 if that helps. On 93 octane. This was my knock wall.

Can you post a pic of your BTB table?

Also running the Mishimoto catch can. The check valve is from a company called Boomba


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If I could data log I would. When I do eventually get my own ecutek cable I will.

So back from the track on ~e65 and ran 13.8 @ 101.

Pics or it didnt happen...so pics :D. Was about 50 F and also about 40% humidity.

So I assume no one uses LiPo batteries? Any reason why you can't?

Only thing I can think of is maybe recharging. Its also hard to find the right voltage.What is the under and over voltage of the controller?

You could do (4) 7.2V packs. Thats 28.8 V.

Phantom FTS Electric Supercharger Owners Thread
 

Need a lipo charger for lipo batteries. The controller isn't setup for it. Plus lipo is much more sensitive to heat. And our engine bay gets fricking hot.

Is it possible?

Yeah.

Will it do better performance?

Probably because it makes a huge difference for my rc cars and planes.

Is it best for our setup?

Eh. Between cost and performance increase probably not.




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Yeah I figured charging was the issue.

I might do a dual dump setup (4X) after a while with car audio batteries. There pretty narrow I maybe able to fit them plus the start all in front be about 15 inches. Not wanting to relocate the starter outside the engine bay.

I just want that voltage to stay more stable. Its drops to 21-22V that means there isnt enough capacity.

LiPo's are way too expensive. LiOn's would be the way to go. The only advantage lithium polymer has over lithium ion is weight. That's why they are used in RC airplanes and helicopters. A large enough LiPo to use with the ESC would probably cost a thousand dollars or more.

How about NiCad?

yeah it would if you still want 20 ah. But the thing is LiPo can use nearly all their capacity where a lead acid only 50% to 70%.

Might be ok with just 10ah still ~30 seconds of boost. The amp dump is way, way faster too at 30C on average. I bet the voltage would not drop much. If the boost level would go up or not is a different story...

Those are alot cheaper but don't dump enough amps it seems. Most are like 6C. So you would need ~40 ah. (40 x 6) = 240 amps for 4000watts.

The other thing about LIPO's is their tendency to burst into flame. With the constant charging and discharging they're almost guaranteed to burn your car down. Just look at the "hoverboards".

Our cars would be inspired by Ferraris!


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joined the club
 

Officially a member of the club now. Hope to get it installed this weekend.

Let me know if you need help with anything.


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Anyone set full activation at 50% throttle? Not sure what issues this would cause..I'm sure you could tune it right.

Does 99% count?
 

My "cool" Procede map is at 99% at 49% throttle, at 6875 rpm. It's tough to use more boost at a lower rpm, since the timing, engine load, open loop fuel map, and other tables need to be changed to use it. I've tried it without modifying the tune for it, and all it does is make a wooshy noise and run slower. Disappointment is an understatement. You want to use that kind of boost that quick, you'll need a custom tune from someone who can put it on a dyno to tune it.

I have good tuner im sure we can make it work with street tuning. Ecutek ftw.

Im talking mid range power at half throttle

Your tuner could make his own throttle map to work hand-in-hand with a custom tune. That would make some really good power on E85. More importantly, really good torque in the midrange would make it a lot more fun to drive. Are you still using the standard 2 big crank batteries for the ESC and one little Optima for the car?
Right now I'm using 2 Shuriken batteries for the ESC and One big crank for the car, but I made a trunk mount for the 2 big cranks and I plan on running the car from one of them, and using the other one to power the compressor for my air suspension, and my audio amp. I'd like to use 4 Shurikens up front to power the ESC with 2 series in parallel, but I think I would have to wire in an auxiliary charger to handle the second batteries. I'll post pics when I'm done.

Yeah indeed its kinda annoying to go full throttle and then wait a second everytime I want power. I will talk to my tuner (HRI). Yes still using the big cranks and optima, in FL so its warm. They are new I just installed the used kit about a month ago. I'd like to get some Shuriken or XS batteries as well they seem better on paper, smaller and cheaper. Have you noticed on the butt dyno? Or monitor boost changes (more boost or less drop off)? I've seen a max of 4.8 psi when tuning havent checked it since. I will be installing a boost gauge this weekend though. I just wonder if there is a real tangible benefit to those batteries...

i drove around today and i notice that i got little boost power and shorter duration.
is it related to cold weather?
i run with throttle switch

Probably. I'm sure its a lot colder in NJ than FL. But the other night at 45 F felt faster than at 75 F this afternoon. The colder air is denser, so more boost. Most superchargers do this. Turbos don't because they have waste gates to control boost.

I notice quite a bit of power increase on a cold morning. When it gets below 50 outside and the car is parked in the 70 degree garage all night the power difference is striking.
Your statement about turbo's however is not always the case. My GTI has a boost gauge and normally the peak pressure is around 14 psi. On a cold high pressure day I will get over 16psi. And you can really feel the difference.

If you boost control is electronic and working properly then you boost should stay about the same. At least with ecutek's control it does.

VW's don't have a BOV. They have a recirculating valve. What it does is when you let off the throttle rather than just release the boost pressure to the atmosphere it recirculates it keeping the pressure up for when you step on the throttle again. It greatly reduces the turbo lag. And the only tuner I know of for VAG products is APR.
Actually my car is a 2002 Mk IV. It was built before the advent of flashable CPU's. To get it tuned you had to remove the CPU and send it to APR. They would change the chip and send it back.

I can't think of any oem turbo car that has a bov. They all have recirc valves. Back in the day I had to do that to my honda as well - chip it because odb 1. Your VW might just have mechanical boost control which fluctuates a bit. My 07 wrx was always within 1 psi with the oem boost control solenoid.

Funny though a 2.5L awd @ 16psi WRX I had ran 13.7 @ 99. My brz with the ESC @ 4-5 psi runs 13.8 @ 101. :thumbsup:

Is that 1/4 mile time on gas or alcohol? Either way it's pretty impressive. That's faster than a lot of 60's muscle cars. Here's a list.

1966 Shelby gt350h automatic 3.89 rear- 15.2@93
1966 Satellite hemi 4 speed 3.54- 13.8@104
1966 GTX 440 automatic 3.23- 14.4@98
1966 442 4 speed 3.55- 14.6@100
1966 SS396 Chevelle 4 speed 3.55- 14.66@99
1966 GTO tripower 4 speed 3.55- 14.0@105
1966 Buick GS automatic 3.36- 14.92@95
1966 Fairlane gt 390 automatic 3.89- 14.26@99
1966 Cyclone gt 390 4 speed 4.11- 13.87@103
1966 AC Cobra 289 4 speed 3.77- 13.73@101.58
1968 Charger hemi automatic 3.23- 13.5@105
1968 SS396 (375 hp)Nova 4 speed 3.55- 14.5@101
1969 SS396 Chevelle(325 hp) 4 speed 3.55- 14.4@97
1969 Super bee 383 4 speed 3.55- 14.0@99
1969 Fairlane Cobra 428 automatic 3.50- 14.0@100.6
1969 Cyclone 428 automatic 3.91- 13.94@100.89
1969 roadrunner hemi automatic 3.54- 13.54@105
1969 Boss 302 Mustang 4 speed 3.50- 14.57@97
1969 Corvette 427 435 hp 4 speed 3.70- 13.8@106.8
1970 Challenger hemi automatic 3.23- 14.1@103.2
1970 GTO 455 4 speed 3.31- 15.0@96.5
1970 Z28 automatic 4.10- 14.2@103.3
1970 LS6 Chevelle automatic 3.70- 13.81@103.8
1970 Duster 340 4 speed 3.91- 14.39@97.2
1970 Boss 302 mustang 4 speed 3.91-14.93@93.45
1971 Roadrunner 440 automatic 3.23- 14.9@95.4
1972 Barracuda 340 4 speed 3.55- 15.5@97.7


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I think it's a good time. and not to be a downer, but beating 50 year old benchmarks is not really the best measurement of performance. That would be like a new smartphone manufacturer saying "It isn't as fast as the new I-phone, but compare it to the top of the line supercomputer in 196X that sent us to the moon and that really shows what it can do!"

Personally, I do see the relevance with the comparison. 60's muscle cars were made to do one thing, go fast in a straight line. Our cars are infinitely more agile, comfortable, and reliable than any muscle car. The Phantom ESC enables us to be quicker than a stock one from their respective era for $2k. Yay us!

If modern cars are a better measurement then, how about more modern "direct" competitors? I included everything I could find a 1/4 mi time on from one website: http://www.zeroto60times.com/browse-by-make/

I think by the time the end of the list is reached, it's safe to say, a Phantom ESC'd 86 matches up nicely to its' competitors at the dragstrip even though the car was never designed with that in mind.

@Steveo585 's BRZ Phantom ESC 13.8 @ 101
@shif7i7down 's FRS Phantom ESC 14.01 @ 104

Guessing that the above's 0-60 times will be in the low 5's to 5 flat. I've boldfaced every car that is matched or bested.

Scion
2013 Scion FR-S (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.2 | Quarter mile 14.5
2013 Scion FR-S (Auto) 0-60 mph 7.9 | Quarter mile 15.9
2012 Scion tC 0-60 mph 6.8 | Quarter mile 15.2

Subaru
2015 Subaru Impreza WRX 0-60 mph 5.2 | Quarter mile 13.8
2015 Subaru Impreza WRX STI 0-60 mph 4.6 | Quarter mile 13.2

Mazda
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata 0-60 mph 5.8 | Quarter mile 14.5
2010 Mazdaspeed3 0-60 mph 5.4 | Quarter mile 14.0
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 0-60 mph 5.2 | Quarter mile 13.9
2009 Mazda RX-8 R3 0-60 mph 6.5 | Quarter mile 14.8

Honda
2016 Honda Civic Type R 0-60 mph 5.6 | Quarter mile 13.8
2012 Honda Civic Si Sedan 0-60 mph 6.0 | Quarter mile 14.5
2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe 0-60 mph 6.4 | Quarter mile 14.7
2011 Honda CR-Z 0-60 mph 8.2 | Quarter mile 16.2
1995 Honda Prelude VTEC 0-60 mph 6.6 | Quarter mile 14.9
2008 Honda S2000 0-60 mph 5.6 | Quarter mile 14.2
2006 Honda S2000 0-60 mph 5.4 | Quarter mile 13.8

Nissan
2015 Nissan 370Z NISMO 0-60 mph 4.9 | Quarter mile 13.5
2011 Nissan 370Z 0-60 mph 4.6 | Quarter mile 13.0
2008 Nissan 350Z Enthusiast 0-60 mph 5.2 | Quarter mile 13.5
2004 Nissan 350Z Roadster 0-60 mph 5.6 | Quarter mile 14.1

Mitsubishi
2015 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR 0-60 mph 5.0 | Quarter mile 13.7
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 0-60 mph 4.4 | Quarter mile 13.1
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 0-60 mph 6.0 | Quarter mile 14.3
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 0-60 mph 4.7 | Quarter mile 13.4
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 0-60 mph 6.3 | Quarter mile 14.7
1986 Mitsubishi Starion ES 0-60 mph 7.4 | Quarter mile 15.8

Hyundai
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec 0-60 mph 5.0 | Quarter mile 13.5
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec 0-60 mph 5.8 | Quarter mile 14.2
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T Premium 0-60 mph 6.0 | Quarter mile 13.9
2004 Hyundai Tiburon GT 0-60 mph 7.0 | Quarter mile 15.4
2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo 0-60 mph 6.8 | Quarter mile 15.0

BMW
2014 BMW 328i GT xDrive 0-60 mph 5.9 | Quarter mile 14.3
2014 BMW 335i Gran Turismo Hatchback 0-60 mph 5.0 | Quarter mile 13.7

2011 BMW 1-Series M Coupe 0-60 mph 4.4 | Quarter mile 12.8
2008 BMW 128i Coupe 0-60 mph 5.7 | Quarter mile 14.3
2013 BMW 135is 0-60 mph 4.5 | Quarter mile 13.2
2008 BMW 135i Coupe 0-60 mph 5.0 | Quarter mile 13.6
2013 BMW 335i M-Sport Sedan 0-60 mph 4.5 | Quarter mile 13.1
2014 BMW 428i Coupe 0-60 mph 5.2 | Quarter mile 13.8

2012 BMW Z4 sDrive28i 0-60 mph 5.6 | Quarter mile 14.3
2007 BMW Z4 3.0si Roadster 0-60 mph 5.2 | Quarter mile 13.8
2007 BMW Z4 M Roadster 0-60 mph 4.7 | Quarter mile 13.2

Mini
2015 Mini Cooper Hardtop John Cooper Works 0-60 mph 5.8 | Quarter mile 14.3
2015 Mini Cooper S Four-Door Hardtop 0-60 mph 6.3 | Quarter mile 14.9

Volkswagen
2015 Volkswagen GTI (Manual) 0-60 mph 5.9 | Quarter mile 14.4
2015 Volkswagen Golf R 0-60 mph 4.5 | Quarter mile 13.0
2015 Volkswagen Golf 1.8T (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.7 | Quarter mile 15.3

2014 Volkswagen Beetle GSR 0-60 mph 6.2 | Quarter mile 14.7
1993 Volkswagen Corrado SLC 0-60 mph 6.8 | Quarter mile 15.3

Porsche
2014 Porsche Cayman S 0-60 mph 4.0 | Quarter mile 12.3
2011 Porsche Cayman R 0-60 mph 4.1 | Quarter mile 12.6
2009 Porsche Cayman 0-60 mph 5.0 | Quarter mile 13.5

2016 Porsche Boxster GTS 0-60 mph 4.1 | Quarter mile 12.7
2013 Porsche Boxster S 0-60 mph 4.2 | Quarter mile 12.7
2012 Porsche Boxster 0-60 mph 5.5 | Quarter mile 14.1 (calculated)

Fiat
2012 Fiat 500 Abarth 0-60 mph 6.7 | Quarter mile 15.0

Lotus
2009 Lotus Exige S 260 0-60 mph 4.2 | Quarter mile 12.8
2008 Lotus Elise SC 0-60 mph 4.4 | Quarter mile 13.3
2005 Lotus Elise 0-60 mph 4.3 | Quarter mile 13.0
2011 Lotus Evora S 0-60 mph 4.7 | Quarter mile 12.9

Chevrolet
2016 Chevrolet Camaro LT (V6) 0-60 mph 5.4 | Quarter mile 14.0
2010 Chevrolet Camaro (V6) 0-60 mph 6.0 | Quarter mile 14.3
2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 0-60 mph 5.7 | Quarter mile 13.8

Dodge
2015 Dodge Challenger SXT (V6) 0-60 mph 6.1 | Quarter mile 14.5
2011 Dodge Challenger SE (V6) 0-60 mph 6.3 | Quarter mile 14.7
2013 Dodge Dart Rallye 0-60 mph 7.8 | Quarter mile 15.8
2004 Dodge Neon SRT-4 0-60 mph 5.2 | Quarter mile 13.7
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 0-60 mph 5.6 | Quarter mile 14.0

Ford
2016 Ford Focus ST 0-60 mph 6.2 | Quarter mile 14.8
2014 Ford Fiesta ST 0-60 mph 6.7 | Quarter mile 15.0
2015 Ford Mustang EcoBoost Premium 0-60 mph 5.3 | Quarter mile 13.9
2013 Ford Mustang V-6 Premium 0-60 mph 5.1 | Quarter mile 13.7
1994 Ford Probe GT 0-60 mph 7.4 | Quarter mile 15.6

Pontiac (BEWARE!)
2005 Pontiac GTO 0-60 mph 4.5 | Quarter mile 12.8
2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe 0-60 mph 5.1 | Quarter mile 13.5
2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP 0-60 mph 5.5 | Quarter mile 14.0
2006 Pontiac Solstice 0-60 mph 6.9 | Quarter mile 14.8

Hey guys, what's the max boost you are able to hit on the v3 phantom?