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Sojhinn 12-14-2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by donthaveoneyet (Post 2480618)
are you saying that out of experience or just because you haven't seen someone try it? you seem very confident so it would be nice to see some facts.


Here's some facts I owned a unichip. I own an open flash tablet.

The unichip is garbage.

The open flash tablet actually does useful things.


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KoolBRZ 12-14-2015 06:29 PM

Unichip is fine for other vehicles, but I sold mine 10 cents on the dollar
 
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Originally Posted by donthaveoneyet (Post 2480293)
This is a really interesting product, i'm looking to get an FRS soon and just been researching for poops and giggles. is this compatible with a Unichip piggyback? I'm really interested in the Unichip and i'm wondering if anyone has used it with this product?

I like making my own tunes. Can't do that with unichip.

raven1231 12-14-2015 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by donthaveoneyet (Post 2480618)
are you saying that out of experience or just because you haven't seen someone try it? you seem very confident so it would be nice to see some facts.

I'm saying thay because unichip doesn't support a tune for it. Thus its not.compatible

donthaveoneyet 12-15-2015 02:06 PM

thanks for the input guys, i guess OFT it is for me.

Gums 12-30-2015 09:08 PM

Compressor Bracket
 
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Many Thanks to keen as for his compressor bracket.

Really firms up the intake and results in some additional ESC noise goodness.

Sojhinn 12-30-2015 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2494888)
Many Thanks to keen as for his compressor bracket.

Really firms up the intake and results in some additional ESC noise goodness.


Interesting idea.


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FingR-S 12-30-2015 11:39 PM

Does the bracket flex enough for engine movement? I guess the intake tubing flexes enough?


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Gums 01-01-2016 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FingR-S (Post 2495009)
Does the bracket flex enough for engine movement? I guess the intake tubing flexes enough?

Doesn't seem to be an issue. The rubber washers near the radiator allow that end of the bracket to flex a bit.

The bracket itself is only 1 - 1.2 mm thick and is fairly flexable.

The benefit is that it takes some of the load off the 2 remaining intake bolts so the connection to the intakes snorkel lines up better.

Sojhinn 01-01-2016 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2495809)
Doesn't seem to be an issue. The rubber washers near the radiator allow that end of the bracket to flex a bit.

The bracket itself is only 1 - 1.2 mm thick and is fairly flexable.

The benefit is that it takes some of the load off the 2 remaining intake bolts so the connection to the intakes snorkel lines up better.


I noticed with my mishimoto intake I no longer have any flex.


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dtek 01-02-2016 04:55 PM

AFAIK nobody has looked into the idea of a RPM guage on the dashboard to really keep an eye on what the ESC is doing. Would be especially handy now with Procede management when the voltmeter often doesn't reflect lower RPM inputs at partial throttle.

Something like this seems applicable but I'm not electrically savvy enough to be sure how it'd be integrated:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...BL_Motors.html

Cheap enough to give it a go and throw it away if it doesn't work out. :thumbsup:

Also for you guys who may not be monitoring the Software tuning section, be aware that there's (possibly) a problem with OFT's which become bricked after the latest firmware/software auto-update. There's a thread about it, but no input from Shiv and Co at this point. Workaround for the time being is probably to use the OFT but don't let it connect to the internet at any point – especially if it's been some time since you've done so.
That's just my speculation, YMMV.

zc06_kisstherain 01-03-2016 11:41 PM

just added myself into google doc. :)

i am wondering how to charge battery?
I usually drive my car weekend and dont want to drain battery.
just connecting battery tender to Odyssey battery is going to charge 2 dump pack batteries as well? or i need to disassemble and charge them?

Sojhinn 01-03-2016 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2497489)
just added myself into google doc. :)

i am wondering how to charge battery?
I usually drive my car weekend and dont want to drain battery.
just connecting battery tender to Odyssey battery is going to charge 2 dump pack batteries as well? or i need to disassemble and charge them?


Don't worry about it for either


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KoolBRZ 01-04-2016 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2497489)
just added myself into google doc. :)

i am wondering how to charge battery?
I usually drive my car weekend and dont want to drain battery.
just connecting battery tender to Odyssey battery is going to charge 2 dump pack batteries as well? or i need to disassemble and charge them?

Just make sure to disconnect/switch off cable to OFT, because it will drain that little Odyssey battery overnight.

zc06_kisstherain 01-04-2016 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2497495)
Don't worry about it for either


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i also have dash-cam so i occasionally turned it on for 4-6 hours per day so I dont want to have weak/dead battery

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Originally Posted by KoolBRZ (Post 2497520)
Just make sure to disconnect/switch off cable to OFT, because it will drain that little Odyssey battery overnight.

i disconnect OFT all time and also have switch off cable as well :thumbup:

Lord09 01-04-2016 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolBRZ (Post 2497520)
Just make sure to disconnect/switch off cable to OFT, because it will drain that little Odyssey battery overnight.

I've left my OFT plugged in for 2-3 days on the stock battery and never had an issue starting. Anything longer and I switch it off via a switched OBD cable.

That being said, does anyone know or have first hand experience on how long the ESC starter battery can go with the OFT plugged in before it's drained to a point it can no longer start the car?

zc06_kisstherain 01-04-2016 03:26 PM

i usually charged my battery in winter since i drive like once per 2 weeks? also avoid on salty roads.

since i installed ESC, trying to avoid my battery dead.
just trying to see ok to charge battery with unit installed or i need to disassemble batteries to charge

shaynek 01-04-2016 06:00 PM

Anyone selling or knows someone who is selling a PROcede ESC Controller?

Gums 01-04-2016 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord09 (Post 2497822)
does anyone know or have first hand experience on how long the ESC starter batteries can go with the OFT plugged in before it's drained to a point it can no longer start the car?

I'm using a battery tender for the starter if not driving for a week or more. Had no drain issues with the dump batteries when sitting idle for 6 weeks, so my 2 cents worth would be not to bother with a 24V tender for those.

Always unplug the Blackview when parked in the garage, though car has Cat3 rust/paint protection running 24/7.

Not a good idea to drain the starter too much as it can give the battery a memory where it won't fully recharge. Had this issue on another car, maybe the Oddessy doesn't have this issue?

zc06_kisstherain 01-04-2016 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2498215)
I'm using a battery tender for the starter if not driving for a week or more. Had no drain issues with the dump batteries when sitting idle for 6 weeks, so my 2 cents worth would be not to bother with a 24V tender for those.

Always unplug the Blackview when parked in the garage, though car has Cat3 rust/paint protection running 24/7.

Not a good idea to drain the starter too much as it can give the battery a memory where it won't fully recharge. Had this issue on another car, maybe the Oddessy doesn't have this issue?

did you connect your battery tender to starter battery (+) (-) directly?
i dont need to disconnect dump pack battery cable at all?

Gums 01-05-2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2498308)
did you connect your battery tender to starter battery (+) (-) directly?
i dont need to disconnect dump pack battery cable at all?

Yes, battery tender came with a small plug setup which stays connected to both terminals, I just plug the tender in and leave it until I next drive.

It's totally seperate from the dump wiring so nothing is disconnected.

zc06_kisstherain 01-05-2016 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2499371)
Yes, battery tender came with a small plug setup which stays connected to both terminals, I just plug the tender in and leave it until I next drive.

It's totally seperate from the dump wiring so nothing is disconnected.

great!
thanks.

i kinda wish we can charge dump pack batteries without disassemble as well

WNDSRFR 01-06-2016 08:02 AM

The battery tender should charge all the batteries shouldn't it? That's what the car's alternator does. And the charger is taking the place of the alternator right? I guess it charges the dump batteries (24V) through the charger/controller.

zc06_kisstherain 01-06-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WNDSRFR (Post 2499698)
The battery tender should charge all the batteries shouldn't it? That's what the car's alternator does. And the charger is taking the place of the alternator right? I guess it charges the dump batteries (24V) through the charger/controller.

That's what i first thought as well.
but wanted to make sure because i have no idea how this controller works.
I don't drive a lot in winter time so i just usually leave it charged with battery tender.

keen as 01-06-2016 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2499852)
That's what i first thought as well.
but wanted to make sure because i have no idea how this controller works.
I don't drive a lot in winter time so i just usually leave it charged with battery tender.


Do what Gums said. The dump pack is separate and does not get used or charged until the controller is on, when the car is on.


When my car is parked in my garage, I directly connect the starter battery (12v) to my charger to keep it fully charged. It does nothing to the dump pack (24v).

zc06_kisstherain 01-06-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by keen as (Post 2500293)
Do what Gums said. The dump pack is separate and does not get used or charged until the controller is on, when the car is on.


When my car is parked in my garage, I directly connect the starter battery (12v) to my charger to keep it fully charged. It does nothing to the dump pack (24v).

thank you for assurance!

BRZ-y 01-06-2016 09:38 PM

well, no sooner do you guys post up this issue, and I left my dome light on for a day and a half.......
Odyssey completely dead..... won't hold a recharge... ordering a new one now......

TM 01-06-2016 09:39 PM

This is unrelated, but just came back from a 3 week vacation and my odyssey started my car up strongly within the first crank. Should've trashed my old battery a long time ago.


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zc06_kisstherain 01-06-2016 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZ-y (Post 2500659)
well, no sooner do you guys post up this issue, and I left my dome light on for a day and a half.......
Odyssey completely dead..... won't hold a recharge... ordering a new one now......

try to charge it with lower/slower charging

Sunrise161 01-07-2016 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZ-y (Post 2500659)
well, no sooner do you guys post up this issue, and I left my dome light on for a day and a half.......
Odyssey completely dead..... won't hold a recharge... ordering a new one now......

Before you do that try this.

WNDSRFR 01-08-2016 07:59 AM

Outstanding article!
I killed my OEM battery by letting it sit unused in the garage for a year and a half. It wouldn't take a charge with a normal charger. I connected it to a trickle charger and after about 4 days it came back to life!
Don't give up on your Odyssey until you try this.

BRZ-y 01-11-2016 01:10 PM

Thats awesome! I'll give it a try. Had to go pickup a new odyssey anyways (found it in Compton for $90 (4wheelparts).
I had a couple friends in town that I had to show off the supercharger to..... success though as the went from :bs:
to :confused0068:

I don't have a trickle charger...
looking at this one from the homey's.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Battery-T...0192/204841738

$39 or $22 online. what do you guys think?



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Originally Posted by Sunrise161 (Post 2501759)
Before you do that try this.


Sunrise161 01-11-2016 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZ-y (Post 2505402)
Thats awesome! I'll give it a try. Had to go pickup a new odyssey anyways (found it in Compton for $90 (4wheelparts).
I had a couple friends in town that I had to show off the supercharger to..... success though as the went from :bs:
to :confused0068:

I don't have a trickle charger...
looking at this one from the homey's.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Battery-T...0192/204841738

$39 or $22 online. what do you guys think?

Got this one from Costco to charge my Odyssey. The trick was to use my existing 12V battery via jumper cables to "boost" the Odyssey to a level that it could take the trickle charge.

http://www.costco.com/Battery-Tender...100241973.html

Sojhinn 01-11-2016 02:10 PM

Just to let you know odyssey batteries have two batteries. Trickle chargers sometimes won't charge them properly.


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shaynek 01-11-2016 11:19 PM

Hey guys so I have the newest procede controller and i have a version 1 esc. My esc switch (no partial boost) is a straight wire brown/black (no aux) which goes to the phantom controller. Does anyone know which wire (brown or black) i need to cut and attach to the Procede? I'm guessing brown wire since black is most likely ground

TM 01-12-2016 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shaynek (Post 2506095)
Hey guys so I have the newest procede controller and i have a version 1 esc. My esc switch (no partial boost) is a straight wire brown/black (no aux) which goes to the phantom controller. Does anyone know which wire (brown or black) i need to cut and attach to the Procede? I'm guessing brown wire since black is most likely ground


You have to use a multimeter to test which wire is ground and which has 5v of current. I don't remember having two wires to the WOT switch. I do remember there being one shielded wire and then copper surroundings. One is ground and one is positive, but you need to test them, as there is not a standard of which is which, since it was before the procede's time. For me, the copper wires was what I needed to tap to the procede. For another member, the single shielded wire was what he needed to tap.


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KoolBRZ 01-19-2016 09:19 PM

Knocking problem with Procede and OFT ESC tune
 
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@shaynek contacted me about fixing a knock problem that was dropping his IAM when he boosted at low rpms. The first thing I thought was "Try my tune instead of the OFT tune", but it knocked just as bad as the OFT tune. Well, in theory, I should be able to plant my foot at any rpm without getting engine knock, if the tune is right...
So I started with Timing compensation and looked at the MAP comp table. It looked like the more pressure it got, the more it changes the timing. That should do it, right? But, in the description in RR it says in parenthesis, "(clutch depressed)", see pic below. Well that isn't going to work on an AT, and sure enough, it didn't.
So I looked in the Timing Advance section and saw the Knock Correction Advance Max A table, and thought "Let's give this a try."
I rescaled it to go to an Engine Load of 4.0, since that was as high as I saw in my logging, and lowered the cells where I saw the most knocking. This is only my first try at modding this table, but it did virtually eliminate knock. 3 out of 5 logs had no knock whatsoever, and the 2 that did had only momentary knock, not long enough to drop the IAM. See the logs here, http://datazap.me/u/koolbrz/log-1453...ata=1-2-8-9-10
If you're getting knock between 2000 and 3000 rpms when boosting heavy, (I saw Engine Loads as high as 3.82, and boost as high as 4 psi) you'll need to change this table to eliminate knock.
If anyone has a dyno, they can optimize this map to get the most out of it. Just start with a table full of 3's, then log the knocks and pull timing from those cells, bump the other cells to 3.5, log and pull timing, bump up to 4, log and pull etc...

Sojhinn 01-20-2016 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolBRZ (Post 2515085)
@shaynek contacted me about fixing a knock problem that was dropping his IAM when he boosted at low rpms. The first thing I thought was "Try my tune instead of the OFT tune", but it knocked just as bad as the OFT tune. Well, in theory, I should be able to plant my foot at any rpm without getting engine knock, if the tune is right...

So I started with Timing compensation and looked at the MAP comp table. It looked like the more pressure it got, the more it changes the timing. That should do it, right? But, in the description in RR it says in parenthesis, "(clutch depressed)", see pic below. Well that isn't going to work on an AT, and sure enough, it didn't.

So I looked in the Timing Advance section and saw the Knock Correction Advance Max A table, and thought "Let's give this a try."

I rescaled it to go to an Engine Load of 4.0, since that was as high as I saw in my logging, and lowered the cells where I saw the most knocking. This is only my first try at modding this table, but it did virtually eliminate knock. 3 out of 5 logs had no knock whatsoever, and the 2 that did had only momentary knock, not long enough to drop the IAM. See the logs here, http://datazap.me/u/koolbrz/log-1453...ata=1-2-8-9-10

If you're getting knock between 2000 and 3000 rpms when boosting heavy, (I saw Engine Loads as high as 3.82, and boost as high as 4 psi) you'll need to change this table to eliminate knock.

If anyone has a dyno, they can optimize this map to get the most out of it. Just start with a table full of 3's, then log the knocks and pull timing from those cells, bump the other cells to 3.5, log and pull timing, bump up to 4, log and pull etc...


Hey kool nice job spotting that. Were you getting knock on your system as well?


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KoolBRZ 01-20-2016 12:11 PM

Yes, I was getting it too
 
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Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 2515348)
Hey kool nice job spotting that. Were you getting knock on your system as well?


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Yep, IAM went as low as .55 before I let off. Everyone says to change Base Timing B for knock, but it doesn't go to 4.0 Engine Load, so I did some research and found a post by @Wayno, where he put 6 in all the KCA cells to flatten it out, then he pulled timing from Base Timing B, and the KCA tables, everywhere it knocked. So I copied @Waynos work, re-scaled the KCA table to reach 4.0 and will pull any timing under 1.4 Engine Load from both Base Timing B, and from the KCA tables, and if it knocks over 1.4 Engine Load, I will pull it just from the KCA table. (KCA is short for Knock Correction Advance Max A, in the Timing Advance section of RR).

PantsDants 01-20-2016 01:36 PM

To my understanding, Knock Correction Advance Max A is the amount of timing the ECU is allowed to pull in response to knock for a given load/RPM cell. Setting it to zero may actually prevent the ECU from responding to knock at all, even though the events are still occurring. Remember, the parameters that we log, FBKC and FLKC, aren't the knock events themselves; they're the ECU's response to what it thinks is a knock event (FLKC is a bit different, but the logic still applies). Just because you don't see those parameters logged anymore doesn't necessarily mean knock isn't still occurring.

Said another way, the total ignition timing is the sum of Knock Correction Advance Max A and Base Timing A/B (B is what's normally used; I think A is for limp-home or post-start, not sure which). There are probably some other compensations applied as well. You can achieve the same effect you're going for by rescaling the load axis on Base Timing B and removing timing from there. Since it looks like you're pulling 6 degrees total, I'd go ahead and pull 3 from Base Timing B and 3 from Knock Correction Advance Max A in the affected cells. That way, you still have some headroom in Knock Correction Advance Max A for the ECU to pull timing in response to knock. It may actually reveal that it's still knocking in that range.

KoolBRZ 01-21-2016 12:57 PM

OK, someone had to do it!
 
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Here is my prototype rescaled Base Timing B table. It goes up to 4.0 Engine Load because I've logged up to 3.82 Engine Load. Now timing can be pulled from wherever knock is coming from. Load columns 1.4 through 4.0 are all the same, so far. That is where I'll be making most of my changes. I'm also trying a rescaled BTB table with a smoother transition. That's the 2nd pic.


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