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madfast 11-29-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 82665)
Nah the point is there are too many people talking about factory supercharging options when it's been said over and over that it wouldn't happen.

they said no turbo. nothing about superchargers. personally i doubt it would happen, but you never know...

Allch Chcar 11-30-2011 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 82674)
Yes, of course. I was oversimplifying. Total quench (mechanical + chemical) fuel type, component strength, knock sensor, and ECU strategy all play their part in detonation prevention and resistance.

I was just elaborating.

I never tire of posting my turborat w/ wings.
http://allch-chcar.com/saved/turbo.jpg

jdhariwal 11-30-2011 01:26 AM

During the opening speech at Fuji Speedway, they said that the engineers had traveled all over the country attending grassroot drift and track events, to see what the enthusiasts and purists wanted. I'm sure that a turbo kit will be available within months of its release. People are already taking about building a drift car out of it, so theirs no way Toyota and Subaru would limit us to a motor like this, seeing as pro drift cars are 400+hp.

Midnight Run 12-01-2011 05:07 AM

just swap for an EJ257 and call it a day.

m_life 12-01-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Run (Post 85934)
just swap for an EJ257 and call it a day.

Why would you wan't to swap out a superior engine for and old and quite frankly inferior engine just because it came with a turbo from factory?

Id gladly turbo charge the 86 as it is and see what it can do. With direct injection you can take liberties you couldn't before with port injection.

Allch Chcar 12-01-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m_life (Post 86462)
Why would you wan't to swap out a superior engine for and old and quite frankly inferior engine just because it came with a turbo from factory?

Id gladly turbo charge the 86 as it is and see what it can do. With direct injection you can take liberties you couldn't before with port injection.

The EJ turboes have more potential for high power cheap. They are better suited to running boost on pump gasoline.

If you do either one, I highly doubt you could sell the car without incurring a huge loss. So it's up to you. Just don't disrespect the car(s) or someone else's opinion and you won't get any problem from me.

If bolt-ons make the 230-260BHP that people want/need for bragging, that should cover 99% of the drivers. The 1% who can afford to swap the engine or turbocharge can do it.

wcbjr 12-01-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Run (Post 85934)
just swap for an EJ257 and call it a day.

How's the ECU gonna like that?
Will the motor bolt up to the bellhousing?
Will the motor mounts line up?
Where's that turbo/downpipe gonna go?
How will the exhaust mate up?
Where's the intercooler going to sit?

m_life 12-01-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar (Post 86916)
Just don't disrespect the car(s) or someone else's opinion and you won't get any problem from me.

I'm not disrespecting no one's opinion I was merely querying it. Technology has moved on significantly and things that weren't possible with older cars are with newer ones.

High CR petrol turbo setup's aren't a rare thing in this day and age so it's not something i'd worry about as I like to push boundaries that others dare not to but that's just the way I think.

TylerLieberman 12-04-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jdhariwal (Post 83750)
During the opening speech at Fuji Speedway, they said that the engineers had traveled all over the country attending grassroot drift and track events, to see what the enthusiasts and purists wanted. I'm sure that a turbo kit will be available within months of its release. People are already taking about building a drift car out of it, so theirs no way Toyota and Subaru would limit us to a motor like this, seeing as pro drift cars are 400+hp.

Problem there is pro drifting here in the states are all V8s:thumbdown:

I agree with this statement for the most part. Pro drift cars now adays have full teams as support, thus having the funds to do whatever regarding an engine build/swap. In D1 and other Japan series, I'm sure they'll stick with this motor setup, if not, switch to a 1J/2J setup. Here in the states, where we ruin everything, they'll more than likely swap it out for a built LS motor. V8s are really the only way to be competative in Formula D now and it sucks.

Grassroots drivers in most cases are running mid-high 300s. Especially with the S chasis. 400hp is about the limits for an SR with a stock block and the tranny is notorious for grenading at just over the 400tq mark. Plus, unless you're trying to drive on a competative level, you don't need 400hp. If 400hp is the only way you can initiate and maintain a drift while staying on line and control your speed and angle......you cant drift.

PS. not aiming this statement directly to anybody, just making a general statement.

koyv90 12-06-2011 10:54 PM

I'd Be happy with 300-350 hp on this thing!

WingsofWar 12-07-2011 03:49 AM

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We have discussed this in the past...if the BRZ would go turbo, theres a large chance that the system would use silimar dimensions to current Legacy Turbo Locations.

2010+ legacy EJ255 turbos are lower front mounted just below the engine front cover, eliminating the uppipe found on impreza models, and providing more turbo response being closer to the exhaust ports.

This is unlike the picture you posted and can be used compactly.

Snaps 12-07-2011 05:01 AM

Turbo in front of the engine?

I think there is definitely enough room there... Remove the noise tube and the other thing near the airbox and I think you'll have plenty of room there. If it's heating up the belts too much, it's not hard to make (or get one made) a heat shield to block that problem, though I've never heard of problems with V8's having turbo's mounted in front of the engine.


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