OK, I made the time because I think this tune rocks
 

Here are the same Ultimate tunes as before, but now they have the Tip-In and Port Injection tweaks. I think the Port Injection tweak has stopped the tune from leaning out between 2000 - 3000 rpms, but I haven't logged it yet to find out. The AT tunes are in the 91 AVCS Tip-In Port Inj ATs zipped folder, and the MTs are in the 91 AVCS Tip-In Port Inj MTs zipped folder. You will need to unzip them before you load one. They are all 91 Octane so they should work with any fuel, no matter how crappy. I got a 29.8 MPG average today, and I started the day at 27.6. I wasn't trying to economize either, I stomped it to get around a slow Prius on the on-ramp and had to hang on. It was up to 80 so quickly! This will get over 30 MPG on the highway and even as a combined city/highway average, but who would want to? For those AT drivers out there, just put it into D and go. It's responsive enough that it's even fun to drive in D, (Automatic shifting mode). It takes a little getting used to, but you can pick how many gears it downshifts by how hard and fast you tap the throttle.

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Friendly PSA for Procede users: Vampire taps are garbage! Solder or crimp your connections at the ECU harness if at all possible. Just spent most of the day today replacing those taps because my Procede decided it would be cool to go full throttle after a bump on the freeway. :thumbdown:

Doesn't the procede get its input from throttle position and rpm? Don't see how it would go full throttle unless you close the circuit from the previous WOT switch wire.


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I'm not sure exactly how the Procede interprets the voltage from its inputs. What I do know is when I hooked up my laptop and jiggled the tapped wires as my first troubleshooting step, the throttle input jumped around all over the place and I actually heard the engine throttle blade engaging (key on, engine off). Took that tap apart and the ECU harness wire broke. Would've been real shitty if that had broken completely out on the road.

You make it sound like it should only be used while driving in D and not in the manual transmission mode. Is this true or am I just reading this wrong?

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New tunes will be coming out soon
 

AT's are a whole other driving experience. The trans controller hasn't been cracked yet, so we AT owners have to tune to the trans wishes. It shifts when it wants to. A common issue is bogging after each shift, since they are geared much higher and have no way to slip the clutch to gain more power. Another common issue is rubber-band shifts in manual mode. I've recently learned this is caused by the ecu's delayed reaction to the change in rpm's. It is completely solved by using the correct ratio of port injection to direct injection. I'll be coming out with a whole new set of tunes that are way better for AT's then the ultimate tunes. I'm just finding the limits of adjustment now and fine-tuning for AT and MT's, since the tuning isn't the same for both any more.

Ok because I'm extremely interested in this kit but I drive in Manual mode 99% of the time, and I don't think I could give that up even for the 25whp and the torque increase.

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I used to do that too. It was the only way to keep from being annoyed at the lack of power. Now I drive in manual mode anytime there isn't any traffic, and auto mode in congestion. What's your CAL ID? I'll post you a preview of the new tune. You'll be surprised how much more fun auto mode can be.

B00D.

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B00D. I'm sure it is on open straights. We go to the mountains alot though and the majority of the time were running in 3rd or 4th gear the whole time up the mountain. So I have to be able to stay in one gear and still have the power I need.

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Here it is.
 

I also included the xml so you can check it before you load it. It is also required to edit tables that are missing from the OFT xmls. You'll have the cold start fix, radiator fan limits, AVCS sculpted by me, and @thambu19's revolutionary PI-DI ratio table, which really smooths out manual shifting, (Not as much rubber-band shifting), and it doesn't bog after automatic shifts like the stock tune does. Your CAL ID will now be added to all future collections as well. Wish you had spoken up sooner, or I would have already added it.

Electric superchargers don't work. Watch myth busters.

So with this will the car still feel like stock just with more power and torque? I like this kit because I feel that it's the closest thing to n/a. When it comes to the mountain I do not need a 300whp car but the extra torque would be great.

Sorry if I sound repetitive. I just want to make sure this kit will work like what I want before I drop 2k+ on it.

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This kit is basically a low boost supercharger. Maximum 5 psi around 2600 rpm.


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I know that. I just want to make sure that the responsiveness of the car and throttle doesn't chance. I don't want to be on a mountain and downshift for a turn and it bog or something else.

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Power curves are very similar. No dip though


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You know the wait list is 12-18 months. Better get on the list asap!

Hey boys. Just got a laptop and a procede to install. I got back the Esc from rob doing a v3 upgrade from v1.
I have an oft and not sure what to run on the procede and what to run from the oft. I know open flash has the sport and normal tunes for the procede to run on pump gas.
@KoolBRZ has the ultimate tunes for oft on 91 pump.

Any advice on what to load to which?
I have relatively convenient access to e85.

Thoughts?

I like shivs e85 tune. And if you have access to e85 use it. It's all @DAEMANO @WRB5titch and myself use.

As for the procede are you in an automatic or manual?


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Did someone mention me? Today is seriously the first day I've ran a tune I liked since I got my ESC. The ESC changes a LOT about a tune, and I finally feel I've got a handle on it for 91 Octane. Between AVCS, Tip-in, PFI to DI%, and Ignition Advance, I haven't had a really good running tune until today. What is your CAL ID? I'll post my latest tune for you to use whenever you run 91 Octane. I haven't run E85 yet, but when I do, I'll have tunes for that as well. I do not have any E85 tunes yet though.

I wait for the day you get e85 eagerly.


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Hi man, I've been running Shiv's e85 tune + Sojhinn's PROcede v2 map. It makes good power and has run reliably for about a year for me. This winter when El Nino is in full swing I'll be switching to CA-91+Torco for less torque (more controllable in the wet), less worries about being close to an e85 station, and easier cold starts. When I do I'll be trying @KoolBRZ's manual transmission versions of tunes and maps.

I only hope I can do for E85 what I've done for the 91 Octane tunes.

Thanks @Sojhinn @DAEMANO @KoolBRZ

I'm in a manual
Cal ID ZA1JA700C

I'll put it all back in the car on Tuesday night.

So pretty much no one uses Ecutek with this kit? If I ever get a kit I will be tuned by my local James @ HRI tuning. Maybe I'll be the first to squeeze out a few extra horses vs. the OFT. I know NA runs better as I use to have an OFT.

No real point to going ECUTek other than to add a Flex fuel kit for e85. Still, I run e85 from concentrations of e50 to e90 on Shiv's OFT tune safely while making great power. The Phantom ESC runs about 5lbs of boost. At these low pressures OFT tuning with the MAF is just as effective as Speed Density tuning with ECUTek (another advantage of the near parasitic-free boost offered by Electric Supercharging, turbo/supercharging needs another couple of psi to make similar top end numbers). Squeezing out an extra couple of WHP may not be worth the extra $700 - $1k for an ECUTek setup and custom tune.

Well maybe true but I have Ecutek already and I got a great deal on it. I say again the Ecutek is noticeably better than the OFT especially on e85 where you can go to MBT exactly. My fuel trims are also less than 1%. You can't argue a custom tune isn't better. The OFT is good I used it for over a year. Using fuel trim corrections for e% at WOT isn't the best either. Safe...probably.

Erm... Easy does it cowboy. No one is arguing that a custom tune isn't generally "better" than an OTS tune. My post is about how much a couple of extra WHP might cost. Great that you alrady have your ECUTek hardware. If you feel like paying for a custom tune, there's nothing wrong with that so more power to ya. To see how much more power a custom ECUTek tune will net all you gotta do is find Bob@DriftOffice's post about his ECUTek tuning session with the Phantom kit and compare it to Shiv's OTS OFT result for the same hardware. The difference is negligible and within margin of error.

No doubt. My custom tune was less than the oft so no brainer there...no extra cost. I'll have to check that out didn't know that anyone even was tuned with Ecutek that's why I originally asked. Thanks. :thumbsup:

Yeah my buddy @nlowell did


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Take a look at the owners config on the first or second post. There is (or was) at least 4 ecutek owners on the spreadsheet.


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I'm not debating the possibility of getting more from an Ecutek tune. I have no doubt that's possible. You can't share an Ecutek tune though. It isn't Open Source, so you could be sued for sharing it. It is Intellectual Property, and really the possession of the tuner. OFT uses Open Source software to tune, so I can share without violating IP laws. OFT users are finding out more every day how to use unknown memory addresses to change more and more parameters on the FT86 ECU. I wish someone could crack the transmission controller as well. I'm learning how to tune with my OFT, and it's really a love/hate relationship. If it runs bad, it's nobody's fault but mine. But when it runs good...

Is that how it works the tune is IP. Isn't just the software license? Well anyways my tuner doesn't lock his tunes and I have access to it. But I leave that to the professionals not sure I even want to mess with it...your a braver man than me lol. :respekt:

In the grand scheme of things (since licensing and IP are being a bit misconstrued here), you are only licensing ECUtek's software to modify the tune and run the locked tune on your car. Think of ECUtek as Window's for your computer. You pay for a license and you have the rights to use the software.

The tuner's tune is like a program written to handle your car's specific hardware, like an application that you might contract a programmer to write to have your computer blink so lights and play music. This software's owner is a little trickier and depends on how the contract is setup with your tuner. Some tuners will sell you locked access to your tune; this would operate like the software license listed above. The more acceptable to handle this (from a software developer aspect) is that you are contracting the tuner to write your tune for you, and you are paying for the full IP. This isn't how all tuners handle it, and in fact, different courts in different jurisdictions would possibly rule differently should the sale of the tune not explicitly list who owns it (or possibly overturn who the real owner is).

Apologies if this isn't the correct place for these questions, but I've seen some 1.5 kits on the for sale forums here lately and since new kits seem like they have a 2 year waiting list, I was hoping to get some input on the following questions:

1. Anyone mind going over the differences between the 1.5 and 2.0 kits?
2. Any reason to avoid the 1.5 kits?
3. Partial boost seems like a huge upgrade, is the Procede controller compatible?

I've done my best to search, but I haven't found any concrete info.

So if anyone could provide any input I'd appreciate it.

Phantom FTS Electric Supercharger Owners Thread
 

1. The biggest differences are a lighter compressor wheel, better cooling on the controller, re-program spool up, new activation harness (2-step boost), voltmeter, and some other stuff.

2. No reason to avoid them. They still run great and the power difference is minimal to non-existent. You can also choose to send it back to rob to upgrade the internals to the v2.0/3.0 kits. But I wouldn't unless something needs to be repaired.

3. Yup, the procede is compatible with all current versions of the kit.


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My 1.5 Full Throttle Supercharger is for sale. If interested, contact jpit@prodigy.net

This is a really interesting product, i'm looking to get an FRS soon and just been researching for poops and giggles. is this compatible with a Unichip piggyback? I'm really interested in the Unichip and i'm wondering if anyone has used it with this product?

no it is not

are you saying that out of experience or just because you haven't seen someone try it? you seem very confident so it would be nice to see some facts.