Does anyone know what the new red looks like?

Hard to tell from a pic but certainly different than Firestorm
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1430617487

I like it

This is weird because it's actually going against team 86's "anti glare material intensive" cockpit. With every release they are going backwards.

I'm happy I have a 13.



What?

You mean like this: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65777

I've had that thread in my subscriptions for a long time, still thinking about it. I'll just wait and see if the one they decide to use for the new frs is any different and go from there...

At least pure pricing lets you know not to bother even calling the dealer.

#silverlining #glasshalffull


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How have they gone backwards?

A car about driving purity and minimal distractions reminiscent of former glory days gets touchscreen in the dashboard, tweaked suspension to smooth out the ride (at least compared to the '13), a rear backup camera and voice recognition. Not to mention the dual climate control, push-button start, HID's on the special edition.

We didn't expect a Caterham but it certainly does feel like, as expected, over the years Toyota has incrementally broadened the appeal past the "hardcore" (not actually hardcore) people the car was aimed at who craved the sports cars of the 50's-90's whether they be Italian, British, German, or Japanese, when FM radio was a luxury.

Sure it's easy to say these changes do not affect the driving experience, and for the most part they don't/won't, when you're laying the power down coming out of a corner you're not thinking about a backup camera or that your shift knob glows. But to those of us who lusted after cars that make no sense in a modern world, Sprites, Spitfires, TR6's, GTV/GTV6, 2002's, RX-3, AE86, AW11 MR2, NA Miata's, 944's and E30's, each extra button, every extra pound that doesn't improve the performance is a tiny step away from the car we wanted as we watch the price climb from the original proudly proclaimed <$25k to over $26k.

Yup, I'm a romantic, but I'm just glad I have a car built in 2012. Many decades from now there will be the inevitable perpetual question: "There's a '13 for $X and a '16+ for $Y, which one should I get?" and someone will mention how the touch screen in the '16 is crap like all other touchscreens built before 20XX and the '13 is a little more pure without that rear-view backup camera and softened suspension.



Oh and that the mawds on it suck.

:burnrubber:

Going backwards would be something like adding a turbo because since a majority of the car's heritage was influenced by the pure AE86--shifting the paradigm away from that concept defeats the purpose of using the AE86 as inspiration.

I believe all new cars need a backup camera by 2017 anyways, so it was inevitable.

I can understand your passion, I just am not as picky in those areas as some are. The fact they are going to allow all the driver aids off for an "Analog" driving experience is more important to me than the radio but it's a requirement for a backup camera. I don't care for the flashy bits but I'll put up with it. If I had a choice between the 7" HU or the driver aids disable, of course I'd choose the aids' disable. But each have their own opinion but sounds more like buyer's remorse than a purity thing. Deep down it's still a Front Engine Rear wheel drive Sports car. When the engineer Tada makes these changes for the better then I think getting a '16 is still holding onto those core ideals of the car.

Yeh agreed. FI is not what Tada wants and has stated many times he won't put any FI on them.

The camera is required on 100% of all vehicles sold in the USA by 2018

LOL, the way you say "The Engineer Tada" it sounds like some science fiction movie where in a dystopian future car engineers are worshiped as gods!

As each year passes by The Wise and Wonderful Engineer Tada will lose a little more control of the car to the marketing crowd. Other than a few very minor points all the model years so far (including the 16s) have remained at least basically the same. As the marketing folks gain more control it will probably evolve into something more Genesis like.

That's a fair point, we will see if that comes to fruition, hopefully as it's software controlled the rest of us can gain access to that capability eventually. I wonder how it will affect the EBD given what we've seen CSG post.

I very nearly just changed my user title to "The Engineer" but I don't want to be "that guy" anymore than I already am...