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Alltezza 03-14-2014 05:57 AM
I think I was watching SUBARUWRXFAN on youtube and he said something about consumer report is basically a bunch of BS because they said the FRS has a better engine than the BRZ when they use the SAME engine lol

Ursam 03-14-2014 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Alltezza (Post 1598834)
I think I was watching SUBARUWRXFAN on youtube and he said something about consumer report is basically a bunch of BS because they said the FRS has a better engine than the BRZ when they use the SAME engine lol
I don't believe CR ever said that. CR does say that the FRS and BRZ are essentially the same cars with the only noticeable difference being the way in which the two suspensions are tuned. I doubt anyone would disagree with that. CR prefers the FRS because it's $2000 cheaper. I personally would pay for the extras in the BRZ Limited, but that's just a matter of personal preference.

regal 03-14-2014 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Alltezza (Post 1598834)
I think I was watching SUBARUWRXFAN on youtube and he said something about consumer report is basically a bunch of BS because they said the FRS has a better engine than the BRZ when they use the SAME engine lol


I know when I want to know about the specs on a car go to SUBARUWRXFAN's you-tube videos, I think consumer reports is wrong the frs must have a different engine if its on you-tube .:thumbdown:

BRZfan 03-14-2014 08:55 AM
Answer: No. Also, you "wonder" too much...

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Originally Posted by BRZnut (Post 1323490)
Just opened Consumer Reports and they have dropped the twins from recommended to not recommended. They also state the poor quality of the BRZ/FRS resulted in significant drop in the overall brand ratings of Subaru & Scion.

Any concerns? Comments??

From the posts on this forum, we saw it coming and we all knew the risk of getting a 1st year new model. I wonder if this will change the future of the twins, sale numbers, and their re-sale value.

skye67 03-15-2014 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by regal (Post 1592956)
Good point, but the guys drivig their WRX's and STI's hard have a huge support system in tuners who know how to correct the for emissions factory tune. They have the fluids down to a science. Just a lot more tribal knowledge. Also I'm guessing you didn't keep that STi very long?


What we have is a clash of Toyota vs Subaru buyer expectations. A Toyota buyer expects no engine problems for minimum over 200k miles. A Subaru owner usually expects having the engine pulled for something around 100k miles, but most trade-in before that..


Of course there are exceptions, I just wish Subaru built engines like they did before OBDII, those cars were strong and lasted for ever. And you are right the BRZ will probably hold resale much better than the Scion. Subaru vs Toyota buyer, they are different.
You know nothing of which you speak. One, many of the after market tuners for the WRX are now tuners for the FRS/BRZ. Two, where did you get your information on Subaru's have to pull their engines at 100k? My 2002 WRX had 175000 at the time it was wreaked in a accident.

SpiralGray 03-16-2014 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by regal (Post 1592956)
What we have is a clash of Toyota vs Subaru buyer expectations. A Toyota buyer expects no engine problems for minimum over 200k miles.
No, a CAMRY buyer expects that. When Toyota still made sports cars (i.e. Celica and Supra) they attracted a different group of buyers. The FRS is an attempt to lure some of those buyers back (which baffles me as to why they didn't badge it as a Toyota Celica in the US). Those buyers have a different set of expectations. You seem to assume that buyers are morons and if they're looking for a Toyota they'll take any Toyota.

regal 03-17-2014 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SpiralGray (Post 1603978)
No, a CAMRY buyer expects that. When Toyota still made sports cars (i.e. Celica and Supra) they attracted a different group of buyers. The FRS is an attempt to lure some of those buyers back (which baffles me as to why they didn't badge it as a Toyota Celica in the US). Those buyers have a different set of expectations. You seem to assume that buyers are morons and if they're looking for a Toyota they'll take any Toyota.




There are still W10 MR2's on the road, they were bullet proof cars. The Celica was a sporty FWD , Toyota's last sports car was the MRS. It had some teething problems but the community figured out a simple fix. You are right that sports car buyers expect to tinker with their cars more but they don't expect blown engines.


As far as most of the problems were early on racers and autoxer's there's some truth to that, but enthusiast who have actually taken their car to the track are few and far between and most of them have traded back to S2k's, Miatas, and the elise by now.


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