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OldSkoolToys 12-02-2009 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearbanger (Post 5397)
Again for the cheap seats six speed stick not too many girls bangin gears in the Gts. I maybe the auto with paddle shifters but not stick. Now after market well lotus seems to tune these engines fine with boost to 260 horse.

The all trac was a very limited production in us so not too many running around today.

If you look at the Toyota brand as a whole my point is Lexus is top tier Toyota middle and scion the entry level name plate. I don't want to step down to lowest level personally. I guess since I ve already moved up to my IS stick. Why step down? It's like going from macys to walmart. It's not just the car but resale value parts service etc etc.
Lol, then go buy the Lotus? FYI, that car will murder yours even if you got that same HP. You could raise your HP to well above its level and that car would decimate you in any facet except lolskilldragging.
Simply: Its not -just- the engine that makes that car amazing (the Exige 260). Alot more engineering went into making that car a lightweight cornering beast, and THATS what the car is known for.

Alltrac: Can still find 'em, and still tune 'em, and its still just as quick in a straight as your susey car. Like that really even matters anyways.

How is it stepping down if the FT (badged a Scion) is superior to your GT-S in every way, and lacks only in straight line power against your IS while beating it at everyth--oh wait, I getcha now.

Its about image not about how it performs.

I understand, gotta keep dat street cred real yo.

S2KtoFT86 12-03-2009 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearbanger (Post 5397)
Again for the cheap seats six speed stick not too many girls bangin gears in the Gts. I maybe the auto with paddle shifters but not stick. Now after market well lotus seems to tune these engines fine with boost to 260 horse.

The all trac was a very limited production in us so not too many running around today.

If you look at the Toyota brand as a whole my point is Lexus is top tier Toyota middle and scion the entry level name plate. I don't want to step down to lowest level personally. I guess since I ve already moved up to my IS stick. Why step down? It's like going from macys to walmart. It's not just the car but resale value parts service etc etc.
Lol, just rebadge it and put the "L" on it if that makes you feel any better.

YourFearlessLeader 12-03-2009 01:54 PM
I guess an advantage of it being a scion is that there will be very little mark-up, and pure-pricing.

Gearbanger 12-03-2009 03:52 PM
may rebadge it with the F then Im covered either way!

OldSkoolToys 12-03-2009 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by YourFearlessLeader (Post 5430)
I guess an advantage of it being a scion is that there will be very little mark-up, and pure-pricing.
It could go either way on the pricing really.

The only way you can really negotiate a price with a car is if the dealership knows it might be awhile before they sell the car. With the FT? I bet those things will be back-ordered for at least the first production year, so bargaining with them really isn't going to do anything. If they can't even keep them on the lot, you bet your ass they're gonna sell it for more than the MSRP, and be successful with it.

If -thats- the case, then yes, a strict "sell at MSRP only" will probably benefit us.

S2KtoFT86 12-03-2009 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearbanger (Post 5433)
may rebadge it with the F then Im covered either way!
Do you mean the F in IS-F or LF-A? If so, that'd be a tad too ricey for my tastes.

YourFearlessLeader 12-03-2009 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 5436)
It could go either way on the pricing really.

The only way you can really negotiate a price with a car is if the dealership knows it might be awhile before they sell the car. With the FT? I bet those things will be back-ordered for at least the first production year, so bargaining with them really isn't going to do anything. If they can't even keep them on the lot, you bet your ass they're gonna sell it for more than the MSRP, and be successful with it.

If -thats- the case, then yes, a strict "sell at MSRP only" will probably benefit us.
This was the case with the Scion tC when it first came out. Scion could NOT keep up with production with the demand for this car. Now however, the market is flooded with tCs and they are not as easy to sell anymore.

Can dealerships sway on the price? No. If Scion Corp. were to find out, that specific dealership would lose its franchise to sell Scions permanently.

The market-up on the cars is low too. Margin is about $800 on the tC, $100 of which goes to the salesmen, while the xB, xD is about $550, $75 of which goes to the salesmen.

4agze 12-04-2009 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 5443)
Do you mean the F in IS-F or LF-A? If so, that'd be a tad too ricey for my tastes.
I didnt get the F also, why F its not lexus? Burned rice to me if you do that, only F i know is IS-F meaning its a lexus performance line, like BMW's M series

OldSkoolToys 12-04-2009 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by YourFearlessLeader (Post 5455)
This was the case with the Scion tC when it first came out. Scion could NOT keep up with production with the demand for this car. Now however, the market is flooded with tCs and they are not as easy to sell anymore.

Can dealerships sway on the price? No. If Scion Corp. were to find out, that specific dealership would lose its franchise to sell Scions permanently.

The market-up on the cars is low too. Margin is about $800 on the tC, $100 of which goes to the salesmen, while the xB, xD is about $550, $75 of which goes to the salesmen.
I wasn't talking about if it were badged a scion in that example, I was talking about Toyota.

If its hot enough to back order for months at a time, you bet your ass they're gonna charge well over MSRP.

If that happens, then it would be better to be badged a Scion because they can't do that. Pretty much all I was saying.

YourFearlessLeader 12-04-2009 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 5459)
I wasn't talking about if it were badged a scion in that example, I was talking about Toyota.

If its hot enough to back order for months at a time, you bet your ass they're gonna charge well over MSRP.

If that happens, then it would be better to be badged a Scion because they can't do that. Pretty much all I was saying.
yes, if the car is badged a toyota we are F'd in the A for a little while for sure.

Gearbanger 12-04-2009 11:34 AM
F for fuji or flagship

S2KtoFT86 12-04-2009 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearbanger (Post 5468)
F for fuji or flagship
Ah, I doubt anyone would get that except for you if they saw that out in public. :iono:

Matador 12-04-2009 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86 (Post 5472)
Ah, I doubt anyone would get that except for you if they saw that out in public. :iono:
Get it or not, it's totally lame.

Gearbanger 12-05-2009 10:58 AM
Thats how I roll.


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