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SirBrass 04-08-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1654726)
That sounds like a nice political battle in the making. Considering both cars chirp the same I would say the same company is supplying both models just under different part numbers.

Next solution, whatever it may be, they are going to disassemble my fuel pump completely and find out why this supposed "fixed pump" is chirping again. This was the last response I heard about 3 months ago. Losing faith.

Well the reason for that is because Subaru builds all the models in the same plant. What I'm curious about is who made the decision on the hpfp: The subaru developers or the toyota designers?

Fab96 04-08-2014 08:22 PM

Just texted the dealer and he's looking into all of these issues for me.
Is there anything else other than the following text message that I should ask
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Hey... Been keeping a close eye on the car and it's starting to show all of the issues reported on those social websites, such as the 'crickets' sound when the engine goes to 2500/3000 Rpms, and I'm also getting the idle revs when parked at lights or in front of my house. I'm sorry to be causing you so much grief but I wasn't expecting these issues with a brand new car. Will it be possible for me to bring it in to see someone this weekend? I'm at my wits end as to what's causing these issues.



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N1rve 04-09-2014 11:53 PM

Currently at 3,200 miles roughly, today the car started to have intermittent crickets at idle. :sigh: It comes and goes...sounds like a squeaking belt.

EDIT: This morning (4/10/2014) my FRS was chirping while idling in traffic. Gas tank was between 1/2 and 1/4th. Just filled up at Costco 91, crickets went away....

What I've noticed on my car over the few months of ownership is that when the fuel level gets below half, I get crickets, when it's above half, I don't get them. I have no idea how that works out. Maybe the concentration of ethanol gets higher with the lower level of gas?

Note: I usually fill up at 3/4 or above half usually.

Car exact mileage (3190), Manufacturered 7/13.

totally 04-10-2014 04:51 PM

Just passed 3000 mi with no chirping
 
This is my second replacement pump and so far so good. Got this one installed at about 42.5K. I use Shell 93, but the only gas that made a difference is some non-ethanol I tried for about 700 miles. I'd use it all the time except that the station is quite a distance from home.

Anyone have thoughts on how Toyobaru expects to be successful with this car in the future if they can't fix the chirps? As I mentioned before, I would have to think long and hard before buying a car that sounds chronically broken, even if performance was unaffected. And for what it's worth, the Toyota dealership in my town can't even sell all their 2013's. No 2014's are even on the lot yet.

SuperDave 04-10-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mwjcyber (Post 1651679)
Those use Subaru's DIT system, so they are different. We get Toyota's wonderfully loud DIT system, which I believe is a Champion sourced HPFP. Could be wrong about brand.

Only fix is a new HPFP design, as three revisions haven't fixed this one.

Sweet! I didn't know my car had toyota's direct injected turbo system!

Fab96 04-10-2014 06:57 PM

Well guys. I am right now sitting at the dealership waiting as the mechanic/tech guy takes it for a bit of a drive. Gt hey explained to me that they can hear the noise and that he rattling sound that I'm hearing may be the 'fuel pump' firing and the combustion of the fuel in the engine, and that it's normal. But that for a bit if piece of minds they'd have a look at it. I'll keep you guys posted.


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HunterGreene 04-11-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fab96 (Post 1664042)
Well guys. I am right now sitting at the dealership waiting as the mechanic/tech guy takes it for a bit of a drive. Gt hey explained to me that they can hear the noise and that he rattling sound that I'm hearing may be the 'fuel pump' firing and the combustion of the fuel in the engine, and that it's normal. But that for a bit if piece of minds they'd have a look at it. I'll keep you guys posted.


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That's a hell of a long diagnostic drive, if it started at 7 PM last night...

Cockatoo 04-11-2014 10:51 AM

I was really hoping I wouldn't have this issue with my brand new 2014 Monogram, but the crickets officially started this morning @ 327 Miles.... Here's to louder exhaust and stereo to compensate ;)

Ultra marine 04-12-2014 02:39 PM

Maybe normal maybe not. I am at 6500 miles and started noticing around 4000 so what gives. I notice it the most actually going through drive thru. And especially after some spirited driving.

Fab96 04-12-2014 06:48 PM

Well, since the tech has had a look at it, I don't seem to hear the rattling noises or anything that shouldn't be there. There is now a healthy grunt from the motor. I will be driving it a few more times before jumping up in joy and screaming 'oh what a feeling!'


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Chazbo 04-12-2014 07:58 PM

I had the idea that maybe buying a 2014 BRZ that perhaps the issue had been resolved. I did not hear the crickets until today. I have had the car 1 week and I am at about 800 miles. I was practicing hill starts and rolled down to level ground and lowered the windows and let it idle. Crickets. Fuck! Oh well. I love this car and driving it is very enjoyable. Are we supposed to wave at each other like motorcycle riders do? :D

Jen 04-12-2014 11:33 PM

I test drove the car I was going to buy today. It had 167 miles. It was making the same exact noises as those in the videos. It sounded like lifter tick. I didn't buy the car. A new car should not be doing that. This was a 2013.

PNW FRS 04-12-2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1044351)
Well, just about everyone who has used ethanol-free gas has reported the crickets go away. Since I also don't care about the chirp until they actually produce a chirp-free pump, I'll either continue to not care about the chirp or kill it with e-free gas.

Full tank of non-ethanol 93 octane... hot day for SW WA (60's) - did about 110 miles and the chirp is back again!! (I have 15K miles on the car.)

This is the 2nd HPFP for this car. Sound came back after about 300 miles on the new unit (this was done about 6 months ago). During the 15K service, I complained about this again, so the dealer has opened a "Case" on this so a regional manager can review... (not holding my breath).

I love this car, but is sounds like it should be named "Yugo" with the dang chirping sound.

N1rve 04-13-2014 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PNW FRS (Post 1668866)
Full tank of non-ethanol 93 octane... hot day for SW WA (60's) - did about 110 miles and the chirp is back again!! (I have 15K miles on the car.)

This is the 2nd HPFP for this car. Sound came back after about 300 miles on the new unit (this was done about 6 months ago). During the 15K service, I complained about this again, so the dealer has opened a "Case" on this so a regional manager can review... (not holding my breath).

I love this car, but is sounds like it should be named "Yugo" with the dang chirping sound.

Atleast the car doesn't self destruct :lol:

KonTheory 04-13-2014 01:17 AM

MY car has had it since the first 500kms,
I was on 91 octane shell gas,
Switched to 94 octane chevron gas, no difference

jjaisli 04-13-2014 05:27 AM

OK, so I have to admit, so far as I know, my car NEVER had crickets. I used to come to these threads and kind of frown and shake my head, wondering if everybody was just overly sensitive to the sound or if maybe there was something wrong with my pitch and I just couldn't hear it. :iono: Once, I even sat there with the hood open, sticking my head and face above the engine, twisting my head left and right, actually HOPING to hear something. Sure there was lots of mechanical noise, but nothing like was usually described.

I bought my FR-S new last July, but had it in the garage all winter. I still only have about 2,700 miles on the odometer. Yesterday I brought it in for the first (free) oil service. As I sat in the parking lot after the service, with the car idling, as I made a quick phone call, actually while I was on the phone, I suddenly heard it…..CRICKETS! WTH? NOW I hear it? It never did this before. Why now? Why after the service? Why with a fresh oil change? Is it because it's a warm day? No, I drove it last August and September on days when it was in the 90s and didn't hear it. Maybe it's because the gas in the tank is from last Fall? Maybe, but why didn't it do this on the way to the dealer. Or last week when I drove it.

All this time I was thinking I was either cricket free or the cricket problem was seriously over-blown. But when I finally heard it, it was immediately obvious. Just so odd (and probably a coincidence) that it didn't happen for the first 2.5K and it manifests itself after the first dealer visit. So odd.

_______ 04-13-2014 01:50 PM

Well I got the dreaded crickets in my BRZ, 6,800 miles into its lifespan. It doesn't really bother me since I can only hear it outside and not in. Should I go through the trouble of getting fixed or no? I still got warranty.

extrashaky 04-13-2014 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by _______ (Post 1669533)
Should I go through the trouble of getting fixed or no? I still got warranty.

I say no. The design issue hasn't been fixed, so the crickets will just come back with a new fuel pump. And it's not really a performance problem. It just sounds funny. Personally, I don't want to take my car in for warranty work unless it's necessary, for two reasons:

1. If you were to read back through the 181 pages of discussion in this thread, you will see stories about people taking them in for crickets and driving out with worse problems because the techs didn't button everything back up properly, and...

2. I don't really want to piss off the service department with warranty claims that are not really necessary, then have them treat me as the boy who cried wolf when I have a real issue that needs to be addressed. I can't help but think that these guys who take their cars in to have the fuel pump replaced repeatedly will get blown off when there's a noise or vibration signaling an actual problem. I could easily see the techs saying, "Oh, THIS guy again," and letting it sit in the shop for a couple of hours, then writing it up as "could not reproduce issue" and sending them out to a catastrophic engine failure.

_______ 04-13-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 1669582)
I say no. The design issue hasn't been fixed, so the crickets will just come back with a new fuel pump. And it's not really a performance problem. It just sounds funny. Personally, I don't want to take my car in for warranty work unless it's necessary, for two reasons:

1. If you were to read back through the 181 pages of discussion in this thread, you will see stories about people taking them in for crickets and driving out with worse problems because the techs didn't button everything back up properly, and...

2. I don't really want to piss off the service department with warranty claims that are not really necessary, then have them treat me as the boy who cried wolf when I have a real issue that needs to be addressed. I can't help but think that these guys who take their cars in to have the fuel pump replaced repeatedly will get blown off when there's a noise or vibration signaling an actual problem. I could easily see the techs saying, "Oh, THIS guy again," and letting it sit in the shop for a couple of hours, then writing it up as "could not reproduce issue" and sending them out to a catastrophic engine failure.

Thanks for the input!!!

N1rve 04-14-2014 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by _______ (Post 1669533)
Well I got the dreaded crickets in my BRZ, 6,800 miles into its lifespan. It doesn't really bother me since I can only hear it outside and not in. Should I go through the trouble of getting fixed or no? I still got warranty.

Well there's no true fix.... so it's going to come back eventually....

xxthrillxx 04-15-2014 03:22 PM

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I just had this service done on my car in regards to the chirping. Anyone had any luck with this?

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FR-S Matt 04-15-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xxthrillxx (Post 1674300)
I just had this service done on my car in regards to the chirping. Anyone had any luck with this?

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Sounds like they''re just modifying your current fuel pump with the newer parts. No it won't work. Even if it is the latest fuel pump, it still won't work. Sorry to not get your hopes up, but that's kind of where the issue stands. Toyota and Subaru aren't doing shit about it nor trying very hard to find a real solution.

xia 04-15-2014 04:12 PM

Mines satrting to fuckin chirp. Shits embarassing! New car with cricket nest!

N1rve 04-15-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xxthrillxx (Post 1674300)
I just had this service done on my car in regards to the chirping. Anyone had any luck with this?

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Oil pump?:iono:

xxthrillxx 04-16-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 1674596)
Oil pump?:iono:

So far, i havent heard the crickets. You can hear a slight chirp trying to come on but then goes away. Hopefully it stays that way. Will keep you posted.

Vis101 04-17-2014 01:37 AM

I took delivery nearly 2 years ago and despite trying various fuels and 3 fuel pump replacements, the crickets remain. When will we have salvation from this plague.

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xxthrillxx 04-17-2014 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vis101 (Post 1678423)
I took delivery nearly 2 years ago and despite trying various fuels and 3 fuel pump replacements, the crickets remain. When will we have salvation from this plague.

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Crickets came back today... no luck with the oil pump either... back to the drawing board

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N1rve 04-17-2014 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xxthrillxx (Post 1678429)
Crickets came back today... no luck with the oil pump either... back to the drawing board

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Wow that was incredibly fast.

Skurj 04-17-2014 07:49 AM

Mine was fixed last summer. Only just got the car out from storage a week ago, and no chirps. They replaced a high pressure fuel pump i believe.

Mooseknuckle44 04-17-2014 07:53 AM

Mine started chirping after about 3 months of ownership. lived with it til the first oil change. Then the part(fuel pump) was on back order. They changed it out and the chirps disappeared for the last 5 months.
They came RAGING back earlier this week. WAY worse than before.
GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

taiguy 04-17-2014 12:00 PM

Oh man, I have just under 1000 miles on my BRZ. I was pulling into the driveway last night as my fiance was getting back from walking the dogs. I get out and she nonchalantly states that my car sounds like a cricket.

Doesn't appear that after 2 years there have been any real fixes to this.

boatski 04-17-2014 01:24 PM

Had my pump replaced about a month ago around 11k mi. Not even 1k mi on the new pump and it's been chirping like crazy. It's so loud. So tempted to trade in on a WRX!

Mooseknuckle44 04-17-2014 01:26 PM

What about completely upgrading the fuel system? A whole new DIFFERENT pump, injectors, everything. Has anyone tried to weasel that out of their dealership?

boatski 04-17-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooseknuckle44 (Post 1679208)
What about completely upgrading the fuel system? A whole new DIFFERENT pump, injectors, everything. Has anyone tried to weasel that out of their dealership?

I would have thought that another company would have designed a new pump outside of Subaru by now.

extrashaky 04-17-2014 01:34 PM

I think the solution to this is to just accept that this is the way it sounds. Whenever someone complains about the clacking of the injectors, the general consensus is that that's just the way this car sounds, and everybody seems to accept that. If the crickets don't affect performance and don't indicate that there's actually a mechanical issue leading to failure, why not accept this the same way?

The other day I stopped off to get gas in rural Louisiana. I went inside for a drink and suddenly heard my car running. I looked around with the international expression of WTF? on my face, only to realize that this gas station sold bait and had a cricket cage right next to the entrance.

Mooseknuckle44 04-17-2014 02:03 PM

Engine idle chirping (cricket) noise poll.
 
Lmao. Chirping, historically, has sounded like and indicated a problem.
Imagine if no one on earth smacked their gum when chewing. Then one day you're sitting at the mall and somone walks past you smacking and popping as loud as they can. You're first reaction is not gonna be "dayum that's awesome". More like "WTF is wrong with them?!"
Most cars dont chirp. So it's annoying being the flashy sexy person that smacks and pops in public.
Just my opinion btw.


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eric6 04-17-2014 02:31 PM

Has anyone that has these issues continually tried a little bottle of 2-stroke oil added to a full tank of gas? 3 oz. per tank has solved my issues.... hell if anyone is in the Phoenix area I'll give it to them for $3 bucks a bottle as I stocked up on the stuff. See if it fixes the issue... our gas is crap over here.

xia 04-17-2014 02:43 PM

If our vendors are reading this thread, THERES SOME MONEY TO BE MADE!

OICU812 04-17-2014 02:45 PM

If I put in 94 I get chirp. 91,93 fuel zero chirp. For me it's 100% fuel related.

boatski 04-17-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1679463)
If I put in 94 I get chirp. 91,93 fuel zero chirp. For me it's 100% fuel related.

It's definitely fuel related. Everything I've read says it's the ethanol in the fuel and ethanol-free fuel fixes it. I've noticed on fill-ups where it won't happen at all, then the next fill-up is chirps all day.


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