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JackSmiley 12-13-2012 02:43 PM

It is a fast selling car, until effin greed hogs mark it up.

dntsan 12-13-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSmiley (Post 606850)
It is a fast selling car, until effin greed hogs mark it up.

This is probably the only time they can mark it up until next year models come out. :sigh:

JackSmiley 12-13-2012 05:44 PM

Well, law of supply and demand.

PMok 12-13-2012 06:46 PM

yeah so the WRB Premium Auto is still sitting in the showroom at Livermore Subaru as of today... with $3200 mark up. :thumbdown:

kwh3 12-20-2012 12:28 PM

got this last night.
Do to cancellations and move-ups we'll have two 2.0 Ltd 6MT's that are available for sale (WR Blue Pearl, and Crystal Black Silica), and we'll also have a 2.0 Ltd 6AT in Satin White Pearl that's available as well. These are typically priced $3,000 to $3,500 over MSRP for available in-stock BRZ's, however if you were interested in one of these available BRZ's arriving this month upper management has agreed to sell for just $2,000 over MSRP if reserved prior to arrival. They could arrive as early as this week!


1) '13 BRZ 2.0 Ltd 6MT, WR Blue Pearl, #605325, $30,637 + Fees

2) '13 BRZ 2.0 Ltd 6MT, Crystal Black Silica, #605307, $30,265 + Fees

3) '13 BRZ 2.0 Ltd 6AT, Satin White Pearl, #605051, $31,365 + Fees

4) '13 BRZ 2.0 Premium 6AT, WR Blue Pearl, #605116, $29,780 + Fees (in-stock and available now)!



Let me know if you, or someone you know, would like to take delivery of a new BRZ in time for Christmas. If you opt not to your order's still in the pipeline and should arrive sometime between Jan and May '13. Please call/email if you have any questions or need more info.

Thanks again, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS! <img alt="smiley" title="smiley" height="20" width="20">




Wayne Herron
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Livermore Subaru
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86 FRS 12-20-2012 02:34 PM

I went to piercey toyota to get my taillight order.

Some dude bought the fiveaxis edition frs with the 38 grand mark up lol

2 available frs on piercey

Raven AT
Asphalt MT

Both at MSRP ......for now Lol

strat61caster 12-20-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 86 FRS (Post 619581)
I went to piercey toyota to get my taillight order.

Some dude bought the fiveaxis edition frs with the 38 grand mark up lol

2 available frs on piercey

Raven AT
Asphalt MT

Both at MSRP ......for now Lol

:eyebulge:
Still have all of theirs marked up to 27-34k from what I can see, do people actually buy these at >27k?

86 FRS 12-20-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 619856)
:eyebulge:
Still have all of theirs marked up to 27-34k from what I can see, do people actually buy these at >27k?

i guess so. 1 dude bought the FiveAxis Edition FRS, mark up 38k :eyebulge: damn lol

86BRZ 12-20-2012 06:30 PM

Diablo Subaru has a white Ltd auto:

Price:*$31,365 plus tax, dmv, $80 doc, $8.75 CA tire.

Another shipment just arrived?

strat61caster 12-20-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 86BRZ (Post 620106)
Another shipment just arrived?

I believe so, there should be another round filtering out over the next two weeks from what I could tell. Maybe mine will be on this boat :bonk:

Someone stop me before I get optimistic...

86BRZ 12-21-2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 620113)
I believe so, there should be another round filtering out over the next two weeks from what I could tell. Maybe mine will be on this boat :bonk:

Someone stop me before I get optimistic...

Did you call SOA?

strat61caster 12-21-2012 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 86BRZ (Post 620750)
Did you call SOA?

Not interested in Navigation unit so I'm speaking solely about Scion; I consider wheel locks, trunk mats, and "rear bumper appliques" as dealer markups because I do not want them and they exist solely to add profit margin without violating "pure price" which doesn't actually exist, it's just a marketing gimmick. See page 16 for my prior rants.

jlu 12-21-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 619856)
:eyebulge:
Still have all of theirs marked up to 27-34k from what I can see, do people actually buy these at >27k?

I bought mine from Piercey with markups pushing it to ~30K.

I don't regret it at all, even though it was overpriced. The stuff I ended up with wasn't bad and it let me get my FR-S a lot faster. (I had been on 3-4 waiting lists and had 2 deposits down for stock ones since the car was announced, and nothing had ever come of it)

I'm pretty sure Piercey is marking all of theirs up, but you might be able to talk to Tak (the fleet manager) and choose your markups for incoming cars if you're willing to pay more.

JackSmiley 12-21-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jlu (Post 621341)
I bought mine from Piercey with markups pushing it to ~30K.

I don't regret it at all, even though it was overpriced. The stuff I ended up with wasn't bad and it let me get my FR-S a lot faster. (I had been on 3-4 waiting lists and had 2 deposits down for stock ones since the car was announced, and nothing had ever come of it)

I'm pretty sure Piercey is marking all of theirs up, but you might be able to talk to Tak (the fleet manager) and choose your markups for incoming cars if you're willing to pay more.

They pretty much mark up the add ons too. like for the five axis wheels which usually cost 1500-2000 from online retailers, they price it at 3000+, same with the body kit.

jlu 12-21-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSmiley (Post 621349)
They pretty much mark up the add ons too. like for the five axis wheels which usually cost 1500-2000 from online retailers, they price it at 3000+, same with the body kit.

Yeah, I'm well aware of that. I stayed away from the body kit and TRD exhaust for that reason.

I ended up with leather seats (which are really nice, they even kept the FR-S red coloring near the shoulders) and BeSpoke (which sort of sucks given its price point).

If I had gotten the seats/head unit somewhere else, I probably could have saved a good chunk of money. But the seats are quality and BeSpoke I can live with, so it doesn't feel like I got entirely ripped off. It's all about finding the right balance between a full wallet and happiness. :)

strat61caster 12-21-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jlu (Post 621365)
But the seats are quality and BeSpoke I can live with, so it doesn't feel like I got entirely ripped off. It's all about finding the right balance between a full wallet and happiness. :)

That's literally the first positive endorsement I've heard for the seats and aftermarket stereo. As long as you're enjoying it, keep rockin' on. I'm going to buy mine for $24,955 or not at all. Minus $1,000 for recent graduate of course.

JackSmiley 12-21-2012 01:49 PM

The Katzkin feels very nice, doesnt feel like cheapo leather. as for the bespoke, i always do bluetooth streaming, so i can live with it. Im not much of an audio guy. If i want a good speaker/sound system, might as well buy home theater system. the car was made for driving around, not for you to rock on your justin bieber tunes.:D

86 FRS 12-21-2012 02:00 PM

♫ If I was your boyfriend, I’d never let you go ♫ :lol:

Dboe 12-21-2012 07:04 PM

Was literally gonna head out my door to pick up the red MT in Santa Rosa, but someone beat me to it.

Gonna keep looking for a red MT.

jlu 12-22-2012 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 621427)
That's literally the first positive endorsement I've heard for the seats and aftermarket stereo. As long as you're enjoying it, keep rockin' on. I'm going to buy mine for $24,955 or not at all. Minus $1,000 for recent graduate of course.

The secret to happiness is low expectations. :D

strat61caster 12-22-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jlu (Post 622455)
The secret to happiness is low expectations. :D

Pretty much, if this dealer jerks me around I'll either end up with vintage 911 or a beater RX7.

:thumbup:

BlaineWasHere 12-22-2012 02:30 PM

Anyone who pays more than MSRP is an idiot or they have so much extra cash they should give me some!

JackSmiley 12-22-2012 02:37 PM

Its funny when i got my fr-s, the dude offered my a demo car that had 5k miles in it already, called it brand new, and was MSRP. Smh

jlu 12-22-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 622956)
Anyone who pays more than MSRP is an idiot or they have so much extra cash they should give me some!

I don't really appreciate being called an idiot. :(

BlaineWasHere 12-22-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jlu (Post 623139)
I don't really appreciate being called an idiot. :(

Well it's nothing personal, but I wouldn't go to McDonald's and pay more than what they normally charge for a cheeseburger. Why would I go to Scion and pay more than they charge for a car?

If you have a bunch of cash and nothing else to spend it on why not I guess.

Where did you buy your car if you don't mind me asking? I haven't seen many AT FR-S with mark-ups.

russv 12-22-2012 05:49 PM

There is still an Argento manual at Yuba City Scion. Been there at least a month.

BlaineWasHere 12-22-2012 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by russv (Post 623178)
There is still an Argento manual at Yuba City Scion. Been there at least a month.

Does it have "dealer installed" options?

jlu 12-22-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 623174)
Well it's nothing personal, but I wouldn't go to McDonald's and pay more than what they normally charge for a cheeseburger. Why would I go to Scion and pay more than they charge for a car?

If you have a bunch of cash and nothing else to spend it on why not I guess.

Where did you buy your car if you don't mind me asking? I haven't seen many AT FR-S with mark-ups.

Piercey, marked up with the standard dealer stuff and leather seats.

With McDonald's, it's a bit different. There are many substitutes for a cheeseburger - if they mark it up, I could just go to In-N-Out, Burger King, Carl's Jr, etc. To me, it's much more different with cars. Sure, I could have spent less money and gotten a Miata or Genesis, but neither of those is the FR-S. I also could have spent less money and gotten a BR-Z, but that would have been pure mark-up with nothing in return. I definitely also could have waited several more months (I've been waiting since May) and eventually gotten a stock one.

It's all about opportunity cost. None of those options were particularly appealing to me given that the additional price of buying the FR-S on the spot didn't push the car out of the budget I had set when going on my new car search. It also helped that an Asphalt AT is the exact color and transmission I had been wanting since the beginning (passed up 3 or 4 Firestorm ones in the waiting cycle). And the markup price? There's plenty of other places I can save money - sure, maybe instant ramen isn't the greatest, but driving the FR-S to the grocery store to pick it up now sure is. :D

I don't feel that it's fair to label everyone willing to pay over stock MSRP as uber-rich or mentally challenged. For a purchase as large as a new car, most people probably put some thought into balancing out their happiness vs what they're paying, and reached a decision they're comfortable with. :)

BlaineWasHere 12-22-2012 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jlu (Post 623220)
Piercey, marked up with the standard dealer stuff and leather seats.

With McDonald's, it's a bit different. There are many substitutes for a cheeseburger - if they mark it up, I could just go to In-N-Out, Burger King, Carl's Jr, etc. To me, it's much more different with cars. Sure, I could have spent less money and gotten a Miata or Genesis, but neither of those is the FR-S. I also could have spent less money and gotten a BR-Z, but that would have been pure mark-up with nothing in return. I definitely also could have waited several more months (I've been waiting since May) and eventually gotten a stock one.

It's all about opportunity cost. None of those options were particularly appealing to me given that the additional price of buying the FR-S on the spot didn't push the car out of the budget I had set when going on my new car search. It also helped that an Asphalt AT is the exact color and transmission I had been wanting since the beginning (passed up 3 or 4 Firestorm ones in the waiting cycle). And the markup price? There's plenty of other places I can save money - sure, maybe instant ramen isn't the greatest, but driving the FR-S to the grocery store to pick it up now sure is. :D

I don't feel that it's fair to label everyone willing to pay over stock MSRP as uber-rich or mentally challenged. For a purchase as large as a new car, most people probably put some thought into balancing out their happiness vs what they're paying, and reached a decision they're comfortable with. :)


Exactly McDonald's marked up the cheeseburger and you don't like BK, In-n-out (Genesis, Miata) so you paid the marked up McDonald's price.

I didn't actaully mean to call anyone names... I call lot's of people idiot's (including myself). It's really not personal, trust me! IMO we are all idiots for one thing or the next.

BlaineWasHere 12-22-2012 11:32 PM

My main anger is with dealers doing this.

jlu 12-23-2012 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 623620)
Exactly McDonald's marked up the cheeseburger and you don't like BK, In-n-out (Genesis, Miata) so you paid the marked up McDonald's price.

I didn't actaully mean to call anyone names... I call lot's of people idiot's (including myself). It's really not personal, trust me! IMO we are all idiots for one thing or the next.

Ah, I phrased that poorly. What I was implying was that a cheeseburger doesn't have very much differentiation whereas a substitute for a particular car doesn't give the same sense of satisfaction that a cheeseburger from a rival chain might.

Well, some people might treat cars interchangeably, but I think we're all on this board because we think the FR-S/BRZ is something special. :)

I can understand why dealers add on all the extra junk also - the car is rare enough right now that it's guaranteed to be sold (even the 38K one, apparently!). They might as well try to make as much money as possible off of it. That's just business.

BlaineWasHere 12-23-2012 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jlu (Post 623803)
Ah, I phrased that poorly. What I was implying was that a cheeseburger doesn't have very much differentiation whereas a substitute for a particular car doesn't give the same sense of satisfaction that a cheeseburger from a rival chain might.

Well, some people might treat cars interchangeably, but I think we're all on this board because we think the FR-S/BRZ is something special. :)

I can understand why dealers add on all the extra junk also - the car is rare enough right now that it's guaranteed to be sold (even the 38K one, apparently!). They might as well try to make as much money as possible off of it. That's just business.


Yep, and profit is profit!

russv 12-23-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 623179)
Does it have "dealer installed" options?


It has clear bra and tinted rear windows. Talk to Sue Vang, he sold me mine and is a good guy.

BlaineWasHere 12-23-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by russv (Post 624009)
It has clear bra and tinted rear windows. Talk to Sue Vang, he sold me mine and is a good guy.

In this case I'm sure the tint costs like $900.

russv 12-23-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 624031)
In this case I'm sure the tint costs like $900.

Last I looked it was MSRP

http://yubacityscion.com/Yuba-City-C...-Car/14498459/

BlaineWasHere 12-23-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by russv (Post 624042)

Wrong, that car is listed at above MSRP per the link you just posted.

russv 12-23-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 624044)
Wrong, that car is listed at above MSRP per the link you just posted.

Fine, don't buy it!

BlaineWasHere 12-23-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by russv (Post 624053)
Fine, don't buy it!

I won't I already have one (that I paid less for!)!

That's not a crazy price though if someone is in a bind and can't wait.

russv 12-23-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 624059)
I won't I already have one (that I paid less for!)!

That's not a crazy price though if someone is in a bind and can't wait.

It's been sitting on the lot for a month so I would imagine they would deal.

BlaineWasHere 12-23-2012 02:17 PM

Yeah, it's strange to see a manual car sitting that long.


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