Subaru's new engine FA 16 DIT: 1.6L Turbo 240Hp

[PR FR-S]

Info form Japan suggest that a new wagon based on the Impreza is going to feature a new engine called FA 16 DIT. It's a 1.6L Direct Injection Turbo engine producing 240 Hp.

Now, it seems to me that an engine like that could fit in the twins fairly easy and the smaller displacement would mean that the car wouldn't gain that much weight.

Sounds like a fairly power upgrade to me.

[strat61caster]

Source? There's also posts on here talking about the AWD BRZ coming soon...

Just because it's smaller displacement doesn't mean it would take up less room in the engine bay.

[thill]

Very interesting. Any word on torque as well as MPG for the new wagon?

[thill]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Source? There's also posts on here talking about the AWD BRZ coming soon...

Just because it's smaller displacement doesn't mean it would take up less room in the engine bay.

Google returned this:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2543054

Seems legit, but details are scarce. This does make sense though when you consider how many countries are pushing for smaller displacement that meet strict environmental regulations.

[Bu-Tang]

Would you not be going backwards? 2.0L to a 1.6L, you would be better off buying a kit for the FA20 wouldn't you?

There is this say "There's no replacement for displacement"

Just my 2 Cents

[gily25]

They'd have to ditch something in order to accomodate this new wagon model. More likely it'd be an XV alternate engine. What other markets host the XV? In that mock-up those wheels look familiar...

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by thill

Google returned this:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2543054

Seems legit, but details are scarce. This does make sense though when you consider how many countries are pushing for smaller displacement that meet strict environmental regulations.

A two month old rumor that never popped up here? I'm more surprised by that than anything else. 240 out of a 1.6L is ambitious, the MOPAR Abarth was pushing 200 out of a 1.4L, I'll be very impressed if Subaru can pull that off.

They also said the 86 would weigh 2,500 lbs :shrug:

[thill]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

A two month old rumor that never popped up here? I'm more surprised by that than anything else. 240 out of a 1.6L is surprising, the MOPAR Abarth was pushing 200 out of a 1.4L, I'll be very impressed if Subaru can pull that off.

They also said the 86 would weigh 2,500 lbs :shrug:

Yes, we shall see, but I found some other recent references talking about the new 1.6L engine, I just don't know Japanese, and Google translate butchered it.

240hp from a turbo 1.6 would be something else.. The Ford Fiesta, by comparison, uses a turbo 1.6 using DI and gets right around 200hp. And if they are using a big turbo to make tons of boost, I wonder how they will control lag?

Will be interesting to get more details.

[Steve201brz]

Is this about the new Impreza wagon or the idea of swapping into the twins?

[thill]

Originally Posted by Steve201brz

Is this about the new Impreza wagon or the idea of swapping into the twins?

It is a new wagon, but I don't see why Subaru/Toyota could not use this engine in a future FT86 vehicle. Just depends on what ends up being rumor and fact.

[Mr.Jay]

Is this not old news?

I remember seeing pics of a turbo 1.6fa block on here

Bottom mounted turbo and I'm pretty sure the discussion of swaps came up in that thread as well

Will look for when not on my phone

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

A two month old rumor that never popped up here? I'm more surprised by that than anything else. 240 out of a 1.6L is ambitious, the MOPAR Abarth was pushing 200 out of a 1.4L, I'll be very impressed if Subaru can pull that off.

Why? The Formula Atlantic 4AGE 1.6L did 240hp NA decades ago. If they can get 100hp/L in theory, that means only 8psi to hit 240 from 160. A few of the Toyota 4AGs were modeled on the old Cosworth 1.6Ls. BMW made a boosted 1.5L dropping over 1,400hp.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M12"]BMW M12 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Making power is easy, any manufacturer can do it. If they don't it's because they choose to pursue some other performance metric.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

Why? The Formula Atlantic 4AGE 1.6L did 240hp NA decades ago. If they can get 100hp/L in theory, that means only 8psi to hit 240 from 160. A few of the Toyota 4AGs were modeled on the old Cosworth 1.6Ls. BMW made a boosted 1.5L dropping over 1,400hp.

BMW M12 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Making power is easy, any manufacturer can do it. If they don't it's because they choose to pursue some other performance metric.

I get that they can, but how many 1.6L 240+hp boosted engines have been sold and warrantied direct from the manufacturer in a mass produced car?

I think I remember reading where it is possible to get 400hp from a 1.6L, but I good luck getting a company like Toyota giving you this with a 60-100K mile warranty?

[Trashed675]

Originally Posted by thill

Yes, we shall see, but I found some other recent references talking about the new 1.6L engine, I just don't know Japanese, and Google translate butchered it.

240hp from a turbo 1.6 would be something else.. The Ford Fiesta, by comparison, uses a turbo 1.6 using DI and gets right around 200hp. And if they are using a big turbo to make tons of boost, I wonder how they will control lag?

Will be interesting to get more details.

10 years ago sure the lag would have been horrendous, but with all the newer turbo tech coming along (variable geometry/twin scroll), it shouldn't be too bad. I still don't think it fits the character of the twins though. A super charger/KERS type hybrid would be better(IMO).

It would be interesting to see if this new engine acts as a step between the standard impreza and the wrx, 148hp vs 265hp.