If You’ve Got a New Car, It’s a Data Privacy Nightmare - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

LRNAD90 · 09-13-2023, 09:10 AM

https://gizmodo.com/mozilla-new-cars...ort-1850805416

"Mozilla found brands including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, and Subaru collect data about drivers including race, facial expressions, weight, health information, and where you drive. Some of the cars tested collected data you wouldn’t expect your car to know about, including details about sexual activity, race, and immigration status, according to Mozilla."

"Questions around consent are essentially a joke as well. Subaru, for example, says that by being a passenger in the car, you are considered a “user” who has given the company consent to harvest information about you. Mozilla said a number of car brands say it’s the drivers responsibility to let passengers know about their car’s privacy policies"

Spuds · 09-13-2023, 10:17 AM

Duh. Also cellphones that you have with you or other people have with them even when you aren't in a car.

soundman98 · 09-13-2023, 08:26 PM

yep. reason #1246 that i bought in '14...

LRNAD90 · 09-13-2023, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by soundman98

yep. reason #1246 that i bought in '14...

Which begs the question, what year did sufficient connectivity become part of the 86 platform? 2017 refresh? 2022 2nd coming, or sooner?

Spuds · 09-13-2023, 11:03 PM

I got around to reading the articles. It's actually not the cars, its the apps that connects to the car.

LRNAD90 · 09-13-2023, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds

I got around to reading the articles. It's actually not the cars, its the apps that connects to the car.

Might want to read it again. They draw information from connected devices, but also from in car mics, cameras and other sensors..

"Mozilla found brands including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, and Subaru collect data about drivers including race, facial expressions, weight, health information, and where you drive. Some of the cars tested collected data you wouldn’t expect your car to know about, including details about sexual activity, race, and immigration status, according to Mozilla."

Spuds · 09-13-2023, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Might want to read it again. They draw information from connected devices, but also from in car mics, cameras and other sensors..

"Mozilla found brands including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, and Subaru collect data about drivers including race, facial expressions, weight, health information, and where you drive. Some of the cars tested collected data you wouldn’t expect your car to know about, including details about sexual activity, race, and immigration status, according to Mozilla."

I recommend checking out the articles in the privacy not included project. At least for cars that don't have built in data. OnStar for example has it's own connection.

Irace86.2.0 · 09-14-2023, 12:02 PM

Privacy is a joke these days. Good luck trying to live in a faraday cage with a tin foil hat with analog products. They know everything.

RToyo86 · 09-14-2023, 12:29 PM

Sounds about right.

humfrz · 09-14-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Privacy is a joke these days. Good luck trying to live in a faraday cage with a tin foil hat with analog products. They know everything.

Back in the day, that would have bothered me. However, today, I don't care who knows how many times I go to the doctors offices, dentist, pharmacy or to Walmart -

Irace86.2.0 · 09-14-2023, 02:58 PM

Seen the documentary on Cambridge Analytica? Scary stuff. It really shows the power of information and misinformation at controlling people, especially finding the people that are most likely to be controlled and what type of misinformation can be used to manipulate them like what will they fall for. This is big business, especially in the US, and the volume of data that is being captured is exponentially rising.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80117542

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/20/59533...-2016-election

https://firstsiteguide.com/big-data-stats/

Dadhawk · 09-14-2023, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They must be talking about Large dedicated 3rd party Data Centers here. There's no way that there are less than 3,000 corporate data centers in the US.

Lantanafrs2 · 09-14-2023, 04:05 PM

Disinformation is subjective.

Sasquachulator · 09-14-2023, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Which begs the question, what year did sufficient connectivity become part of the 86 platform? 2017 refresh? 2022 2nd coming, or sooner?

2020 is when the N/A models got apple carplay/android auto support.
BRZ might have been a year or 2 earlier.

But that's the extent of connectivity you got with the car.

Audio was only Bluetooth or USB, but those have been around since i think 2014 (in a not-shit implementation)
Older years and other markets would have had a nav system available....but i dont think that really counts as connectivity.

Lets just put it this way. If you can connect to the internet in any way, you are already compromised.

09-13-2023, 10:17 AM	#2
Spuds The Dictater Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: '13 Red Scion FRS Location: MD, USA Posts: 9,697 Thanks: 26,779 Thanked 12,750 Times in 6,320 Posts Mentioned: 88 Post(s)	Duh. Also cellphones that you have with you or other people have with them even when you aren't in a car. __________________ If a picture is worth a thousand words, a model is worth ten thousand pictures. Also: "Build Thread"

09-13-2023, 08:26 PM	#3
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09-13-2023, 11:03 PM	#5
Spuds The Dictater Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: '13 Red Scion FRS Location: MD, USA Posts: 9,697 Thanks: 26,779 Thanked 12,750 Times in 6,320 Posts Mentioned: 88 Post(s)	I got around to reading the articles. It's actually not the cars, its the apps that connects to the car. __________________ If a picture is worth a thousand words, a model is worth ten thousand pictures. Also: "Build Thread"

09-14-2023, 12:02 PM	#8
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09-14-2023, 12:29 PM	#9
RToyo86 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Drives: 17 Asphalt 86 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,419 Thanks: 1,905 Thanked 2,675 Times in 1,306 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s)	Sounds about right. Attached Images

09-13-2023, 09:10 AM	#1
LRNAD90 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Drives: X5 35d, D90, CX-5 Turbo Location: Maryland Posts: 338 Thanks: 83 Thanked 226 Times in 126 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	If You’ve Got a New Car, It’s a Data Privacy Nightmare https://gizmodo.com/mozilla-new-cars...ort-1850805416 "Mozilla found brands including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, and Subaru collect data about drivers including race, facial expressions, weight, health information, and where you drive. Some of the cars tested collected data you wouldn’t expect your car to know about, including details about sexual activity, race, and immigration status, according to Mozilla." "Questions around consent are essentially a joke as well. Subaru, for example, says that by being a passenger in the car, you are considered a “user” who has given the company consent to harvest information about you. Mozilla said a number of car brands say it’s the drivers responsibility to let passengers know about their car’s privacy policies" __________________ ~Scott T. '95 NAS D-90 ST '13 BMW X5 35d '22 CX-5 Turbo '?? 86 one day soon?

09-14-2023, 02:58 PM	#11
Irace86.2.0 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Drives: Q5 + BRZ + M796 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 7,884 Thanks: 5,668 Thanked 5,812 Times in 3,302 Posts Mentioned: 70 Post(s)	Seen the documentary on Cambridge Analytica? Scary stuff. It really shows the power of information and misinformation at controlling people, especially finding the people that are most likely to be controlled and what type of misinformation can be used to manipulate them like what will they fall for. This is big business, especially in the US, and the volume of data that is being captured is exponentially rising. https://www.netflix.com/title/80117542 https://www.npr.org/2018/03/20/59533...-2016-election https://firstsiteguide.com/big-data-stats/ __________________ My Build \| K24 Turbo Swap \| K24T BRZ SOLD

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