Wrecked FR-S Crash Already - Not Mine

[86'd]

Ouch.

Glad no one was hurt!

I don't think I've ever and will ever turn off TC on any car on the street. I've turned it off in an empty lot to spin the rear end around in an S2K but that's it.

Again, as most of us here have predicted, I think this is just the first of many accidents like this.

I think if things get out of hand, we might see different spring rates in the rear, stickier tires or a non defeatable TC in future FRS models.

[miata]

24 is still a young age. And it could have been a lot worse. At least the OP was not DUI.

I would recommend to anyone to autocross the car if you are curious what the car can do. You will learn car control and the limits of the car. You will also realize how little you know about how to drive the car properly when you have an instructor drive your car with you in the passenger seat.

[TuxedoCartman]

Hey Neutral, don't let it get you down. Everyone has an accident sometime or another, nobody was hurt, and you're a braver man than most for posting how it happened on here so other people can learn. I feel your heartache over the damage to the car, though, as I've had that happen to beloved brand-new four-wheel companions of mine too.

[Lo]

The way I see it, some good came out of it (personal experience + better understanding) and you coming out and explaining the story just gave me an eye opener too. So I guess thank you for crashing? jk. Honestly though, don't beat yourself up over what internet ppl behind their screens might think.

[DantKR]

People bitching about insurance: If you're clean and haven't done anything and you have a insurance company worth anything more than the dirt in my yard you'll be fine. Quit fucking complaining.

[Touge Monster]

Wow that sucks but it does look repairable. I gotta give props to the owner for being so brutally honest about the accident way to stand up dude I hope they can fix your ride go get some track time and learn your cars limits.

[nix]

Originally Posted by neutral

What I learned is that knowledge cannot replace experience. I've seen tons of videos of people drifting from the inside of the car, read up on driving technique, etc. The suddenness and intensity of that oversteer caught me completely off guard. I've experienced and recovered from snap oversteer in my CRX. That was not even close to the feeling of RWD oversteer. I got my butt handed to me faster than I knew how to process.

So yeah, like you said, learn the car in a safe environment. All the books in the world can't replace time behind the wheel.

Yeah very common mistake from FWD drivers being used to that safety net of lifting. With a Torsen diff you can still lift fairly safety due to the torque xfer but if the cars already going/gone it takes away the forward momentum and you become a passenger.

I reckon you should get another one (BRZ?) and go out and get it sideways again man. Just make sure you have enough space around you (track/skid pad is best) so this doesn't happen again. You're young, insurance will take the easy path and write it off, reset button ftw!

[Mr.Jay]

I read the whole thread and I don't hate you. You are being feature as the 1st guy to crash a FRS this will prob be on car sites everywhere sorry to say. You are being punished enough I would say.

RWD mechanics are total different and you can't learn how to drive a FRS watching other videos of people drifting different cars as not all cars handle the same way, you should of practice and experienced the cars characteristics somewhere safe.

Drift ready car does not make you drift ready but I hope don't worry we are all idiots at one point in our lives.

[Moto-P]

If you were not injured, consider it lucky. Everyone goes through a mishap behind the wheel a few times in life. Don't sweat it, and take care of the situation and come back to enjoy the roads.

WE'll all be waiting for you!!

[gwascopter]

sup Ken Gushi

[Devie]

Wow tough luck man...

This is kind of giving me second thoughts on getting one of these. My current car (03 Cooper S) hugs the road like anything, barely understeers at the speeds you can do on the road safely. It has never scared me. I have only owned FWD cars. I have fanged around in AWD (rally training, STi, Evo 7) cars which essentially act as a FWD anyway. And I have fanged around in big heavy powerful RWD V8's (track day). This is a different beast that I've never experienced.

I have done one stupid thing in a car before, my first car, a Hyundai Accent (lol), had just done a little handbreaky in a dirt parking lot and thought it was fun. I knew this cars limits as the limits where very easy to get to, but its limit on this one was me. I decided around a corner on a side street to pull the handbreak, straight into the curb and popped my tyre. I was lucky and learnt a lot from that...

Going to RWD and having the posibility of not having as much grip as my current car is going to be somewhat bad... I am not one to turn off traction control though, ever.

That WRX is looking more appealing... I must test drive both obviously.

[Guff]

Glad you're OK!!

As many have said, you learn from your mistakes! I have had my mishaps with RWD cars (none of which have had Traction control) but thankfully I never have had an accident. Now I try to keep the spirited driving to a minimum.

Hope it works out for you in the end!

[Sleeperz]

While alot of people are complaining that 200Hp is not enough, 200Hp is alot of power for the Scion car buyers who are usually young first time car buyers. 30 years ago V8s had less than 200HP. This is why there is traction control on cars now.

The guy said he was not racing doing 20-30 clicks, just probably want to hang the tail out a little. Could have ran over some oil in the center from the description of the accident that just happened suddenly. That is one reason you do not do stuff like that on the street, the surface is not consistant.
Could be the tires have no lateral control but just break away suddenly.
Would have been better to try the car out in an empty parking lot first to see how the tires break traction. Remember the stock tires are Touring tires not HP tires.


Too bad but shit happens.

Originally Posted by whtchocla7e

I hate to stereotype but this was expected sooner or later. Young guys like to think that they're invincible and that the road is a race track. I'm still stuck in this state of mind a little bit myself sometimes.

In the end we all lose. Insurance premiums go up, innocent drivers get a bad label and a bullseye on their forehead.

Sorry I don't sound sympathetic. Glad the driver is ok though.

[Godzilla35]

I'm around the same age as you (25), and I've only had one speeding ticket my whole life, but I totalled my dad's car when I was 16. It takes a lot to admit to something like this. I give you major kudos for admitting you did something wrong AND trying to get others not to make the same mistakes.

It was a lapse of judgment that killed a 16-17 year old kid in the canyon driving up to my house too. Consider yourself lucky and make it a reason to make changes. =]

And to the douchebag forum members talking shit before even finding out if he was okay... All I have to say is that I hope you don't eat your own words. This specific situation could have been avoided, but I've seen plenty of cars wrapped around poles, etc. that have been hit by other cars / drivers. I was almost sideswiped in my GTR a few days ago by an idiot in a van texting. Decided last minute she didn't want to exit so just took my lane on the 405. Thank God it was night and I saw her phone's screen lighting up her face in my peripherals.

It's a damn person, who gives a shit about insurance rates / spare parts / "what people will think"... to the everyday driver... the FRS is just a "tC" or a new tiburon... nothing special... especially in the scope of a serious accident.

[nix]

Originally Posted by Devie

This is kind of giving me second thoughts on getting one of these....It has never scared me. I have only owned FWD cars. I have fanged around in AWD (rally training, STi, Evo 7) cars which essentially act as a FWD anyway. And I have fanged around in big heavy powerful RWD V8's (track day). This is a different beast that I've never experienced.

All of those will snap way more violently than this car.

IMO you couldn't find a better first RWD.

Just take it as a cautionary tale!

[dhpinoy]

that investment went down the drain with a flip of a switch. I feel really bad for the owner and the car. Good thing no one was hurt physically but i know emotionally that you are all wrecked inside.

I dont even think you got your license plate yet and the car is all wrecked.

[koyv90]

can i get that shit salvaged haha! when fixed off course

Glad to hear your alright and awesome that you admit it and glad you learned alesson. I hope when switching to rWD i will also not have a problem like this occur.

[86design]

wow...hope his alright poor car though....

[dori.]

People are being really nice here.

I respect the fact that you owned up to your mistake.

Crashing your car sucks. Especially when it's brand new. My condolences.

However, I DON'T respect the fact that you decided to do this with a passenger in the car. Why should someone who has no control over the vehicle he is traveling in be subjected to a danger like that? If that person got injured or worse, its on YOU.

Well whatever, I'm sure your lesson was learned. Sucks that it had to be this way.

[BANGER]

My condolences to you neutral. I was recently in an accident myself (3 weeks ago) in a new car (mum's), didn't even have plates yet, only 2 weeks old . I was really tired and stressed but so was she so I decided to drive for her but I pushed my luck and got into a light collision during a sudden lane change that I didn't think about before doing.

The feeling is devastating. Coming out of that car right afterwards, you just can't believe it: did I really just do that? Did I really just crash a new car? Especially after all these years of driving? Did I really just set myself up for insurance hell? You get off the car to look at the damage, and even after seeing many damaged cars on the road, you can't believe the one now on yours, and can't believe that you yourself did it...
And then there's that huge feeling of shame; the feel that people you know probably aren't as confident about you being behind the wheel anymore.

But like my dad told me afterwards, all in all, it's just a car. It's material, it can be replaced, but you cannot. So in the end, learn from it and move on.

[Scion86]

Originally Posted by neutral

Hey everyone.

I'm the idiot that crashed the FR-S. Not really sure where to begin, so I'll start with how it happened.

I was on my way to lunch with a coworker. There's a right turn I've taken a million times over the past 4 years that's very wide and has huge visibility, and I would sometimes get on the gas a little in my B16-swapped CRX through the turn. I never went over the speed limit, and I only did it if there was absolutely no one else around. Being a FWD, the front tires would break free a little and it would make the turn a bit more fun. Well, before leaving work I decided it would be a good idea to turn off the traction control and try something similar in the FR-S. That was my first mistake. I entered the turn at about 20mph, and halfway through it I got on the gas and I honestly can't remember exactly what happened after that. I remember being extremely surprised and then all of a sudden I was careening for a telephone pole, and then bam. I don't even think I hit the brakes. I must've hit the clutch pedal at some point because the car was still running when I stopped. Both airbags deployed. My passenger said he didn't even touch the airbag, I grazed it a little bit and it felt like I got hit in the face with a soft pillow. I must've been going 15-20mph at the impact. I couldn't believe how much the car just crumpled. I just looked at it and sat on the ground. I can't even describe to you the feeling of seeing it like that. I just wanted to cry.

I'm 24 years old, been driving since 16, and this is my first accident/ticket. I was ticketed for "failure to maintain reasonable control", which honestly was extremely generous given the circumstances. I feel like the world's biggest idiot. I feel like I've shamed myself and done a huge disservice to the community. Sorry just doesn't say enough. I swore I wouldn't be one of those guys everyone was saying would do something stupid and wreck the car and drive up the insurance rates. Now I'm not only that guy, but it seems I'm the _first_ guy. Not exactly the best way to make an impression. I want you guys to know that I truly feel awful about the whole thing. I am truly sorry for letting my fellow FR-S owners down, and through making a complete ass out of myself, I feel I've learned a valuable lesson, albeit a hard one. I know some of you (a lot of you) will hate me, call me an idiot, tell me I shouldn't have even tried anything like that on a public road, etc. And I agree with you 100%. I made a stupid, stupid, irresponsible choice, and now I'm paying for it. I don't think any of you can hate me more than I hate myself.

I hope I can stand as an example of what can happen even at relatively low speeds when you're being stupid. Please for the love of god don't be me. Drive safe, keep traction control on on public roads, and don't try to be Ken Block. Unless you are Ken Block, in which case, keep being awesome.

Hey dude as long as you're alright that's the most important part. We all make mistakes from time to time. Some bigger than others. But the only thing you can do is learn from your mistakes. Wish you the best and hope at least its repairable.

[tamsau]

Keep your head up neutral and everything will be okay man. Don't let it get to you everyone makes mistake, just learn from it.