Wrecked FR-S Crash Already - Not Mine

[catharsis]

The important thing is that you made it out alive. Some of us needs a stupid wreck to teach us a lesson. That's why I always advise to take it to the track.

[Napoleon]

Originally Posted by neutral

I can't even describe to you the feeling of seeing it like that. I just wanted to cry.

The most important thing is that both you and your passenger are safe. When I first saw the pictures during the start of this thread, I could not begin to imagine the owner's emotion at that very moment. I am glad you have not given up on the FRS, and I hope you can get another one again if your car is unrepairable.

[Dionysus]

Hear that sound? It's all of our insurance premiums going up..

[ashtray]

Yeah, it can happen QUICK! Sometimes you need full opposite lock instantly and still can't recover. (I cut my teeth on a RWD 70s sedan as my first car, then a RWD pick up as my next one - and this was in NJ where we got a lot of snow and rain. Neither vehicle had traction control or stability control or even abs.)

Btw - for anyone wondering, leaving all the nannies on, you can still get the back end loose! I tried it on some twisties and sure enough hitting the gas mid corner the back end started to lose traction. It's not as invasive as the BMWs I've driven.

Before buying the car, and coming from a Miata with no traction or stability control, I thought I'd leave it in sport mode to allow the back end to rotate better - but the rear rotates just fine with all nannies on - for street driving at least. If you want to hug a cone with a 180 on autoX, then you'd want to turn the systems off.

[blur]

Another case of SNAP OVERSTEER... happened to me once, scary shit lol. But it was in my FWD...

[86boyAF1]

Don't worry about it, man. If it makes you feel better, your car would fit right in with most of the drift cars here in Okinawa now. Just get some zip ties. A lot of zip ties.

The only thing you can do now is use the experience of your mistake positively. It has surely made you a better person.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by neutral

haha I've seen that one. I would definitely hate to be him. 13 million views even. The horror!

lol, well, they did feature you on the front page now.

It sucks, but oh well. Learn from it and move forward. Also, prime candidate for BRZ or JDM headlight swap now if the car is repairable!

Also also, I did chuckle a little bit when I saw the bit about turning off traction control, not laughing at you though. Over at GenCoupe almost every accident started with "traction control was off." It's almost always the first question that is asked when someone is in a wreck now, but so many people swear that it interferes too much to drive the car on public roads/can't drive with it on/whatever.

Be safe out there and glad you're alright. Cars are replaceable, humans aren't.

[jordydiaz]

fuck fuck fuck!! it hurts, poor frs

[mkxr]

Neutral - glad to hear that you and your passenger are ok, as that is the most important thing. It's also great that you're sharing your story, because we can hope that others will avoid similar situations.
Now I understand why you have to sign a waiver at a dealership to never turn off the traction control when taking one for a test drive.

Note to Scion - How about free handling lessons to FR-S owners? hmm, call it Scion Car Control Clinic?

I have autocrossed for many years, and I can attest to the fact that once you figure out how to control your car on the course and put down some reasonable times, you don't feel like you have to prove anything on the streets. And the beauty of autocrossing (in a reputable club that is), is that it also bring a lot of knowledgeable drivers that will gladly offer their assistance.

[Dimman]

Sin, first stone, blah, blah...

I've paid a smaller price for stupidity. Bent control arms. Twice. Two different cars.

As long as you learn, that's life. (Took me twice...)

[Extreme86]

Originally Posted by neutral

What I learned is that knowledge cannot replace experience. I've seen tons of videos of people drifting from the inside of the car, read up on driving technique, etc. The suddenness and intensity of that oversteer caught me completely off guard. I've experienced and recovered from snap oversteer in my CRX. That was not even close to the feeling of RWD oversteer. I got my butt handed to me faster than I knew how to process.

So yeah, like you said, learn the car in a safe environment. All the books in the world can't replace time behind the wheel.

We all feel your pain.
Your experience reminds us none of us wants to have our butts handed to us like this. Perhaps we're all a wee bit wiser than we were before cause you shared your mishap with us. Live and learn. Hang in there! Be thankful no one was hurt. Thanks for sharing.

[GodSays]

Shit happens sometimes, just glad you lived to tell about it

[DubGUy]

Originally Posted by neutral

haha I've seen that one. I would definitely hate to be him. 13 million views even. The horror!

A buddy of mine at work showed me http://wreckedexotics.com this morning to make me feel better. And what do you know, it did make me feel a little better

Holy mother of God! Yep there are people like that and they are older than us! I remember the 14-17 Ferarri's crash in Japan and this story about this dad lending his 18yr old son his Gumpert Apollo S to impress his girlfriend and ends up totaling it or here in TX where this older gentleman drives his Buggati Veyron into the lake. So it just shows us we're not the only ones to make mistakes on the road, it happens and we can learn from it.

[Max Schnell]

Shame to see one wrecked so soon. As some others have already said, a car can be replaced easily but a person cannot.

I hope it does not make you give up on RWD. Once you have some experience and learn what not to do with it while turning you will enjoy it just fine.

[neutral]

Originally Posted by Max Schnell

Shame to see one wrecked so soon. As some others have already said, a car can be replaced easily but a person cannot.

I hope it does not make you give up on RWD. Once you have some experience and learn what not to do with it while turning you will enjoy it just fine.

I haven't given up. I am really hoping they fix my car up. This didn't teach me that RWD is inherently bad/scary. It taught me that I don't know wtf I'm doing and have a lot of learning to do

[neutral]

Originally Posted by 86boyAF1

Just get some zip ties. A lot of zip ties.

Hey, I'm not a Honda guy anymore

Though I guess I still do have a Fit...

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by neutral

Jeez, you guys are really kind. I'll try to be less hard on myself, but I think it's part of what helps me to learn not to be stupid again. I look forward to meeting you guys in person. Just please don't punch me.

Yeah man, don't be so hard on yourself. You're only human. The most important thing is that you're okay and nobody was hurt. MANY people have made much larger mistakes than this. Give it some time and don't stress out about it.

Glad nobody was hurt - and the car is just a car. It'll be okay! Keep us posted!

[Figgy]

Ouch, glad your okay and got balls to come here to let us know. You're still young and this is not the end yet.

[neutral]

Originally Posted by eifer

Glad you're OK, but this is exactly why I'm also considering a WRX I probably won't touch the traction control off button if I get the FR-S lol. At most, VCS sport.

My fiance drives a 2012 WRX. Unless you're in it for off-the-line speed, AWD traction or need the 4-door practicality, I'd go for the FR-S. It's cheaper, and imho more engaging and fun to drive. I'm a sucker for light nimble cars though.

[Cessblood]

This is why my insurance is going up. I hope the driver is okay.

[Jordo!]

Years ago, I managed to inadvertently do a 180* in a 2000 Celica.

This was shortly after stiffening up the suspension -- a lot of the understeer I had grown accustomed to was dialed out, and suddenly I was facing the wrong way on a narrow road, just after entering a sharp corner at what I honestly thought was a reasonable and safe speed (whoops).

Luckily, no impact -- just a few terrified onlookers and a slightly rattled me.

Lesson learned -- get to know your car, and take it reaaaaal easy until you do. If you change the suspension set up, get to know it once again.

Anyway, it happens. I'm sorry that you didn't get as lucky as I did -- but at least you are okay, and insurance will take care of the rest.

In the meantime, look into signing up for an autocross entry level instruction event so when your baby comes back, you can get better acquainted.

[nix]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I wonder if this was the result of a failed drift?

"Wanna see a dri... oh shit"