Stretched FT-86 chassis to spawn next generation Lexus IS

[Hachiroku]

2014 Lexus IS - New and Future Cars
Work has started on a new 4-door sedan based on the FT-86 platform.

By Sam Mitani / Photo-Illustration by Best Car

November 22, 2010



Although it’s nearly a half decade away, we are hearing reports that the next-generation IS sedan will make its debut sometime in 2013. The reason, according to our sources, is that work has started on a new 4-door sedan based on the FT-86 platform. For those who are not familiar with the FT-86, it’s the concept car that made news at last year’s Tokyo Motor Show. As the spiritual successor to the old Levin AE-86, a car we called the Corolla coupe, the rear-wheel-drive FT-86 will make its debut in June 2012.

As for the Lexus IS, this car will be built atop a stretched version of the FT-86 chassis. Toyota boss Akio Toyoda is keen on spicing up Toyota’s image into one with a more powerful emphasis on sport, so we hear the next IS will look and perform sportier than the current model.

While the FT-86 sports car will be powered by Subaru’s EJ20 engine (2.0-liter flat-4), the IS will be powered by a 2.5-liter naturally aspirated 4-cylinder and/or a 3.6-liter flat-6. The 2014 Lexus IS F will continue with a high-powered V-8 that’ll make the luxury sedan a presence on the racetrack.

via - http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/2014-lexus-is

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by exotisus

might be old news

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758

True, but in your pics, they're saying FT86 sedan ver. This one saying next Lexus IS gonna be stretched ft86 ver.

so in the end both articles are new news.

[Dark]

New gen IS will come out in 2012 as MY2013, not 2013 as MY2014. I don't think IS need FT-86 platform and they are 2 different beasts, and IS is more likely to use next gen GS platform. Lexus already has IS and GS out for testing, so if they use FT-86's platform on IS, they have to build the car from scratch. It's a waste of money on RnD. That's said, R&T article is .

[Dark]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

True, but in your pics, they're saying FT86 sedan ver. This one saying next Lexus IS gonna be stretched ft86 ver.

so in the end both articles are new news.

And that pic has Toyota badge. LOL

[FT-HS]

Dont quote me on this, but I think the current IS is based off a compact version of the GS, and that it was gonna be that way for the next generation as well.

Dont quote me, but i remember reading somewhere that said this

[Snaps]

@Dark: The picture is only an artist's rendition AFAIK.. It's got nothing to do with anything solid from Lexus...

I can actually see this working to be honest... I'm kinda seeing it go back to the IS200/IS300/Altezza roots, which, if the new IS is made from the (enlarged) FT86 chassis, I can see how it would be a lot sportier - The current IS is hardly light, and Lexus has much larger models for when you really want a Luxury Sedan....

I say do eeet!

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dark

New gen IS will come out in 2012 as MY2013, not 2013 as MY2014. I don't think IS need FT-86 platform and they are 2 different beasts, and IS is more likely to use next gen GS platform. Lexus already has IS and GS out for testing, so if they use FT-86's platform on IS, they have to build the car from scratch. It's a waste of money on RnD. That's said, R&T article is .

Agreed. 2013 is way too late to debut. The next GS/IS are also said to focusing towards lighter weight and sportier response, going back to being real sports sedans. Yes they have already been caught testing. GS is supposed to be getting an e-diff (like ferrari...or a 2wd version of what the Evo uses), so I don't doubt the IS or at least the ISF would get that too.

Originally Posted by FT-HS

Dont quote me on this, but I think the current IS is based off a compact version of the GS, and that it was gonna be that way for the next generation as well.

Dont quote me, but i remember reading somewhere that said this

You are correct. If the FT-86 is going to have a Lexus platform mate, it is likely to be a Z4/SLK/Boxter/TT competitor.

Originally Posted by Snaps

@Dark: The picture is only an artist's rendition AFAIK.. It's got nothing to do with anything solid from Lexus...

I can actually see this working to be honest... I'm kinda seeing it go back to the IS200/IS300/Altezza roots, which, if the new IS is made from the (enlarged) FT86 chassis, I can see how it would be a lot sportier - The current IS is hardly light, and Lexus has much larger models for when you really want a Luxury Sedan....

I say do eeet!

The IS needs to at least be the same size. I wouldn't like it to get bigger, but down sizing is totally out of the question. The rear seats are way too cramped, and that is the biggest complaint about it. It is a lot sportier than given credit for. The GS/IS platform has a lot of potential.

What I would like to see is a DI turbo 4 replace the 2.5 V6. Then you would have some real tuning and the IS returning to it's roots. Toyota needs to put that 3.5 V6 in a cheap 2 door so regular ppl can get around to tuning. Not enough parts are made because of the platforms this motor is typically found it.

[Snaps]

I think there are far better ways to get more interior room than to increase the size of the car (for example - moving the rear seats back into the boot further but having a flat-folding rear seat for when you need to carry larger things).... The last Altezza/IS weighed very little compared to the current one... I would LOVE to see the IS go back to something maybe a little heavier than the Altezza, but keep the same V8 as an engine

I know the current gen IS is a sporty car already, but I really think losing a bit of weight on it would really transform the whole car...

[djohnson]

Has anyone at Toyota or Subaru confirmed the EJ20 powerplant over the new FB20 design? And this article makes no mention of a 2.5L for the '86. Nothing more than speculation from what I am seeing, though I am hopeful that the 2.0 will be the powerplant for USDM FT86

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Snaps

I think there are far better ways to get more interior room than to increase the size of the car (for example - moving the rear seats back into the boot further but having a flat-folding rear seat for when you need to carry larger things).... The last Altezza/IS weighed very little compared to the current one... I would LOVE to see the IS go back to something maybe a little heavier than the Altezza, but keep the same V8 as an engine

I know the current gen IS is a sporty car already, but I really think losing a bit of weight on it would really transform the whole car...

I agree, But it won't help to make the car smaller. I really don't think you grasp how tiny the FT is. It is smaller than an Audi TT. Making the trunk smaller makes it less competitive in it's segment too, and changing all these proportions would have serious consequences in the aesthetic design. I'm not saying the next IS needs to be bigger, I'm just saying that it has to not get smaller, while possibly being the same weight or lighter.

Trust me, I don't think there was anyone more disappointed than me that the IS gained 200-400lbs from Gen1- Gen2.

[Dimman]

I can see a position internationally for a smaller, sportier Lexus sedan, maybe to compete with the 1 Series.

Personally, I would be very intrigued by this idea.

[Calais]

Originally Posted by Hachiroku

2014 Lexus IS - New and Future Cars
Work has started on a new 4-door sedan based on the FT-86 platform.

By Sam Mitani / Photo-Illustration by Best Car

November 22, 2010

To me that kind of looks more like the nexy gen camry than the IS look at the headlights the bonnet angle all camryesque also especially the wheels and the mirrors and that toyota badge helps a little

[Calais]

^^thats the CT 200h first drive. did you get the link confused with something else????

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I can see a position internationally for a smaller, sportier Lexus sedan, maybe to compete with the 1 Series.

Personally, I would be very intrigued by this idea.

Ew no.

The 1 series is totally pointless and a Lexus 1-series would be even more....








pointless...










er.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Ew no.

The 1 series is totally pointless and a Lexus 1-series would be even more....








pointless...










er.

Ummm, original Altezza/IS? We all know the next IS is going to get fatter, so... smaller, lighter, cheaper = win?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Ummm, original Altezza/IS? We all know the next IS is going to get fatter, so... smaller, lighter, cheaper = win?

Ew no. lol

Here's to hoping it's not. I don't believe in this bullshit about making cars bigger and slotting another one under it to make up. The 2IS is scarcely larger than the 1IS, what they need to work on is keeping the weight in check.

BMW's lineup is far to complicated, and it's been their own fault, making the cars fatter and adding a shitload of SUVs. I'd rather Toyota/Lexus not go down that line. Plus they already have the CT, which is nowhere near sporting, but already smaller than the IS so slotting in something else (another 4 door) there, which will effectively be the same segment just adds to the confusion.

The thought behind the idea is good... it's just imo, a bad idea. Fix the problem at the source is what I say. Don't make the next IS bigger/fatter. Problem solved.

I'd rather have a Z4/SLK type car anyway.

[Dimman]

To me the idea of the 1 Series was great. Smaller, lighter, cheaper. But somehow the reality is it's not significantly any of those compared to a 3 Series.

The whole bigger, fatter, then new small model bugs me too. Chalk it up to a marketing arms race. 'We have more interior room than brand X', so brand X makes theirs bigger too, then in a brilliant one-upmanship move, makes it safer (heavier) too. Repeat.

The Civic is like around 700-1000 lbs heavier now than it was in the 90's. Maybe pretty close to what an Accord was back then...

[no_name]

I think this a great idea but the FT-86 platform (at least the advertised dimensions of the concept) is way too small. My current car is an Accent, which is tiny, and the FT-86 is smaller in every way except width (it's seriously small). It could force Toyota to reduce the size of the IS and no automaker likes releasing less interior space than they had last year.