FRS/BRZ vs 2013 Base Mustang GT

[thill]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

I don't frickin' think so. Come drive mountain roads with me and I will leave you in the turns all day long or you lead and and I will be on your ass the whole day. You don't know this car until you drive it on mountain roads.

Not true. Look at the charts from the Streets Of Willow Springs:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._photo_03.html

The BRZ/FR-S were not really able to hang with the Mustang (V6) or the Gencoupe (4 cyl turbo), even in some of those crazy turns at Streets Of Willow Springs. A V8 Mustang would have put even more distance in those turns IMHO, and as soon as you hit a straightaway, well, it would be a joke.

I think the FR-S/BRZ may be easier to throw into a turn without killing yourself, but for experienced drivers who know how to push the limits and where to get the most our of the car, I suspect all of them would take a V8 Mustang if it were a timed race based on performance.

Sorry, but the Mustang GT, is by far, a better performance car hands down. There is a misnomer out there that the Mustang and Gencoupe don't handle well, and that is just not the case.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by thill

Not true. Look at the charts from the Streets Of Willow Springs:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._photo_03.html

The BRZ/FR-S were not really able to hang with the Mustang (V6) or the Gencoupe (4 cyl turbo), even in some of those crazy turns at Streets Of Willow Springs. A V8 Mustang would have put even more distance in those turns IMHO, and as soon as you hit a straightaway, well, it would be a joke.

I think the FR-S/BRZ may be easier to throw into a turn without killing yourself, but for experienced drivers who know how to push the limits and where to get the most our of the car, I suspect all of them would take a V8 Mustang if it were a timed race based on performance.

Now, tune the engine on an FT86, maybe throw some forced induction into the mix, and it may be a lot closer.

[thill]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

Now, tune the engine on an FT86, maybe throw some forced induction into the mix, and it may be a lot closer.

Maybe for the V6 Mustang. The V8 is a whole different beast.... Especially if you can find a Boss 302 on a deal.

And I am not a Mustang guy. But I certainly appreciate what it represents and the bang for the buck. Massive horespower and torque in a well handling RWD car for a dang good price.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by shadoquad

depends highly on the road and drivers involved.

I have a friend who can keep up with lighter, nimbler cars in his Mustang on this road

And if the road straightens out, there went your advantage.

I saw the video of this road and I would love to try it. So many Big Rigs on the road that can't make the turns without crossing the center line. Could be deadly but I would try and drive balls out.

[Secondhandloser]

Originally Posted by RaceR

My opinion:

Step 1: Test drive Toybaru
Step 2: Test drive Mustang
Step 3. Make up your own opinion
Step 4: Buy the car you like the most
Step 5: Enjoy it! Do not car about other peoples opinion, you have made up your own opinion based on your own preferences!

+1. Very different cars, down to personal preference.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by thill

Not true. Look at the charts from the Streets Of Willow Springs:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._photo_03.html

The BRZ/FR-S were not really able to hang with the Mustang (V6) or the Gencoupe (4 cyl turbo), even in some of those crazy turns at Streets Of Willow Springs. A V8 Mustang would have put even more distance in those turns IMHO, and as soon as you hit a straightaway, well, it would be a joke.

I think the FR-S/BRZ may be easier to throw into a turn without killing yourself, but for experienced drivers who know how to push the limits and where to get the most our of the car, I suspect all of them would take a V8 Mustang if it were a timed race based on performance.

Sorry, but the Mustang GT, is by far, a better performance car hands down. There is a misnomer out there that the Mustang and Gencoupe don't handle well, and that is just not the case.

Streets of Willow is not a twisty mountain road. I bought the FRS for twisty mountain roads. When TRD makes the supercharger then I'll plenty straight line speed for such a light car. The stock FRS chassis is so much better than Mustang and the Genesis coupe. The Mustang will always handle like a tractor.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

I saw the video of this road and I would love to try it. So many Big Rigs on the road that can't make the turns without crossing the center line. Could be deadly but I would try and drive balls out.

You'd love it, especially in such a great handling car as an FRS/BRZ!

I highly recommend it if you ever get the chance.

And yeah, big rigs, delivery trucks, and cruiser bikes ruin everybody's good time.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

Streets of Willow is not a twisty mountain road. I bought the FRS for twisty mountain roads. When TRD makes the supercharger then I'll plenty straight line speed for such a light car. The stock FRS chassis is so much better than Mustang and the Genesis coupe. The Mustang will always handle like a tractor.

Keep drinking the company koolaid
It is great you like your automatic FRS, but if you cannot accept that other cars are actually pretty good for spirited driving, you just look like a blinkered, inexperienced fanboy.

[detainu]

I think it's so funny the BRZ/FRS is even being compared to a mustang. The whole idea to build a lightweight, rear drive, sports coupe goes against everything Ford is about. And the fact they have to add in a Track Pack to even come close to an FRS/BRZ is hilarious!

[10splaya22]

Originally Posted by detainu

I think it's so funny the BRZ/FRS is even being compared to a mustang. The whole idea to build a lightweight, rear drive, sports coupe goes against everything Ford is about. And the fact they have to add in a Track Pack to even come close to an FRS/BRZ is hilarious!

The even funnier part is that without the track pack the gt would still be way above the Brz/Frs. I've been on this site for 5 min and its ridiculous someone the things I'm reading already. The Mustang gt and Brz/Frs are two completely different cars with different design goals. Just accept the fact like the Mustang is a better car stock for stock. But also enjoy the feel the Brz/Frs gives you and how it feels in the turns. That's what these cars are about. They were never designed to win races in a straight line.

To Grateful Dave, you drive an automatic so what little credibility you had just went out the window.

[detainu]

But the GT was never the car even being compared to the FRS/BRZ. It was the V6 with Track Package added. Just to feel like you even need to justify a Mustang GT with a 420HP V8 to a FRS/BRZ with 200HP 4, that's the hilarious part. I think this post is like the guy in the video trying to say his 2008 350Z Convertible is far superior than the FRS. Who are you trying to convince, others or yourself, cause you don't have an FRS/BRZ?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by 10splaya22

...Just accept the fact like the Mustang is a better car stock for stock....

As someone with both in his garage, I can say that the Mustang is not necessarily the "better car stock for stock". They are different cars, with different missions. It's all about personal choice.

[thill]

I think the OP's point was price. I totally agree that these are very different cars, but I had dealers offering me $26K for 2012 Mustang GT's recently. You can find 2013 for around $28K and perhaps lower.

I guess his point is that, price wise, the Mustang GT should be in the running vs the BRZ/FRS if your budget it $28K or so. As would the 3.8L Gencoupe Rspec.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

Streets of Willow is not a twisty mountain road. I bought the FRS for twisty mountain roads. When TRD makes the supercharger then I'll plenty straight line speed for such a light car. The stock FRS chassis is so much better than Mustang and the Genesis coupe. The Mustang will always handle like a tractor.

There are some pretty good twists at Streets of Willow Springs. Look at the picture again, it shows how the cars performed in the turns and lateral G's. Mountain road or not, I suspect the results will be similar. It is what it is.

I am glad you like your car (I like the FR-S and BRZ too) but accept them for what they are.

[10splaya22]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

As someone with both in his garage, I can say that the Mustang is not necessarily the "better car stock for stock". They are different cars, with different missions. It's all about personal choice.

Sorry I meant around a track stock for stock. But i agree, it all depends what you want in a car.

[Grateful Dave]

No clutch, No credibility, Please! I bought this for my daily driver and driving for pleasure. This is not my track car. I have had a previous badly broken left leg and I have been driving a manual for 30 years. I work 12 hour days on my feet at a hospital doing xray. So at the end of the day, my shifting get really fatigued and my shifts start to suck and I'm hating it. I'm over manual transmission. The FRS provides a 6 speed automatic that is based on the Lexus IS-F minus 2 gears, made by Aisin. The AT has a manual mode with match revving capabilities controlled by paddle shifters or from the stick shift. There's a sport mode, and snow mode. It has 34mpg highway capabilities vs manual 30mpg. This is one high tech AT. You might say it's not double clutch, oh well, it works great, who cares. I was really reluctant to go with AT but I went for it. I want to keep this car for a long time. I have the best of both worlds. Now that I have driven my FRS over thousand miles, did I make the right choice for me? Hell Yes.
If you are going to track this car, manual all the way.
If you want to "have it all" when driving on the city streets or on mountains roads, I say go with the technology and go with the automatic. For all you purists, it is all right to drive the AT. Don't knock the FRS AT unless you drive it. You might like it.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

Streets of Willow is not a twisty mountain road. I bought the FRS for twisty mountain roads. When TRD makes the supercharger then I'll plenty straight line speed for such a light car. The stock FRS chassis is so much better than Mustang and the Genesis coupe. The Mustang will always handle like a tractor.

Is that why it skids .97 from factory? Grab a supercharger, the mustang owner will grab a decent set of coilovers/bushings and rape you in your sleep.

Not saying the FRS won't do well on a mountain road but you're smoking something expensive if you think the mustang won't sodomize it.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by detainu

But the GT was never the car even being compared to the FRS/BRZ. It was the V6 with Track Package added. Just to feel like you even need to justify a Mustang GT with a 420HP V8 to a FRS/BRZ with 200HP 4, that's the hilarious part. I think this post is like the guy in the video trying to say his 2008 350Z Convertible is far superior than the FRS. Who are you trying to convince, others or yourself, cause you don't have an FRS/BRZ?

I could have sworn the thread title asked how this compared to a base mustang GT. Must be all the hallucinogenics.

[detainu]

Must be

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by RaceR

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QFT!

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Is that why it skids .97 from factory? Grab a supercharger, the mustang owner will grab a decent set of coilovers/bushings and rape you in your sleep.

Not saying the FRS won't do well on a mountain road but you're smoking something expensive if you think the mustang won't sodomize it.

It now becomes a building war, costing thousands of dollars more.

Does center of gravity and front to back weight distribution mean anything to you?

We are going around and around with this muscle car vs sports car comparison. The track vs a very twisty mountain road. Apples and Oranges once again. It does get old.

While off the lot, for $26,000, you can have the FRS 2+2 sports car with a very unique stiff chassis, low center of gravity, a 53/47 front to back balance, a high rev boxer engine and suspension combo that provides you with a real sport car driving pleasure. It gets good gas milage and it has a real trunk with fold down rear seats. This is the foundation of this vehicle. We can always add some more horsepower or beef up suspension, exhaust and intake, that will come in time and money no problem. But there goes your good mpg. In the mean time, I'm having a blast driving my sports car. I might be driving an econo sports car vs a $50,000 Cayman but it drives like a real sports car and not like a sports coupe or muscle car. Until you drive the FRS or the BRZ, you will never know what it is like.
Enough said, Good night now!

[Turbowned]

These "versus" threads make me LOL.

At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference, not which one performs best. I liken them to weapons: do you want a katana or a sledgehammer? Both are deadly, albeit in completely different ways. For those of us who value precision over brute force, the BRZ/FR-S is the obvious choice.

Now I never used to be a fan of the Mustang, having grown up a "Chevy boy". As a teen, I would've chosen an IROC-Z over a Cobra any day of the week. However, when the 5th generation Camaro turned out to be a 4,000lb brick and the Mustang stayed a little more svelte and got very impressive engines and sexy styling, I learned to really appreciate them. That said, I think the Mustang is finally a good car. They just aren't the car that I want. I will, however seriously consider one when they switch to IRS, you can count on it!