Scion FRS vs Toyota GT 86 ?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Once crashed Limited BRZs start to hit the junk yards, digital dual climate swaps will be a lot easier.

Moto-san, isn't the interior material in the FR-S lower grade quality compared to the GT86 counterpart?

What do you mean by interior? Like seats? steering wheel? etc?

Cuz iirc they're same ones for base~GT and FR-S is pretty much G w base & GT stuff mix together. Just GT-Limited is the highest w leather option. Cuz making different material for 86/FRS/BRZ isn't really cost efficient

Moto-san you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

What do you mean by interior? Like seats? steering wheel? etc?

Cuz iirc they're same ones for base~GT and FR-S is pretty much G w base & GT stuff mix together. Just GT-Limited is the highest w leather option. Cuz making different material for 86/FRS/BRZ isn't really cost efficient

Moto-san you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Yeah, like the dash panel, door panel, seat fabric material being a lower grade plastic and/or leather compared to the Japanese version.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

What do you mean by interior? Like seats? steering wheel? etc?

Cuz iirc they're same ones for base~GT and FR-S is pretty much G w base & GT stuff mix together. Just GT-Limited is the highest w leather option. Cuz making different material for 86/FRS/BRZ isn't really cost efficient

Moto-san you can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

That doesn't make sense, they're offering the different materials anyway, just not in North America. Since the same factory makes everything, they still have to produce those options.

Not offering them to more market areas is what makes it less cost efficient as they end up making them anyway but fewer of them. This means using up facilities for a smaller number of the product which is not cost efficient. You want to make as much as possible and sell as much as possible to make it cost efficient.

Yes, the way they have it now makes the lower grade materials more cost efficient, but they're still wasting efficiency by producing the higher grade materials anyway and limiting the market area. Since they still have the higher grade facilities in place, not producing as much as they could be.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Yeah, like the dash panel, door panel, seat fabric material being a lower grade plastic and/or leather compared to the Japanese version.

Wha?

-the dash panel trim should be the same....they're not magically of lower grade material because its lower trim level.....The only differences that i think there are is that one is the T shaped looking carbon fibre trim in Toyota/Scions and the silver/metallic looking trim in the BRZ.

-Seats? Theres 3 different seat materials i think. Fuzzy cloth, 'tough' looking cloth, leather/alcantara. The FRS gets the fuzzy cloth (RC/G). BRZ premium has the 'tough' cloth (GT?) and the leather/alcantara is in the BRZ limited (GT-Limited).

-door trim? I think its all the same. They're the red stitched leather (leatherette?) found on the spots being most touched (like the door sill, armrest, etc). I dont think they're all black on the FRS.

I think if you were to compare the FRS with the Japanese 86, the FRS is a G with the red accents from the GT.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

That doesn't make sense, they're offering the different materials anyway, just not in North America. Since the same factory makes everything, they still have to produce those options.

Not offering them to more market areas is what makes it less cost efficient as they end up making them anyway but fewer of them. This means using up facilities for a smaller number of the product which is not cost efficient. You want to make as much as possible and sell as much as possible to make it cost efficient.

Yes, the way they have it now makes the lower grade materials more cost efficient, but they're still wasting efficiency by producing the higher grade materials anyway and limiting the market area. Since they still have the higher grade facilities in place, not producing as much as they could be.

For base model, is it cost efficient to have several different material? No. I do agree w keep limited material in limited country (ex: leather trim).

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Wha?

-the dash panel trim should be the same....they're not magically of lower grade material because its lower trim level.....The only differences that i think there are is that one is the T shaped looking carbon fibre trim in Toyota/Scions and the silver/metallic looking trim in the BRZ.

-Seats? Theres 3 different seat materials i think. Fuzzy cloth, 'tough' looking cloth, leather/alcantara. The FRS gets the fuzzy cloth (RC/G). BRZ premium has the 'tough' cloth (GT?) and the leather/alcantara is in the BRZ limited (GT-Limited).

-door trim? I think its all the same. They're the red stitched leather (leatherette?) found on the spots being most touched (like the door sill, armrest, etc). I dont think they're all black on the FRS.

I think if you were to compare the FRS with the Japanese 86, the FRS is a G with the red accents from the GT.

Interesting, so the leather/alcantara is offered in North America on the BRZ Limited, very interesting. I shall be using that information.

As for the red stitching, the FR-S has black instead of red stitching on many areas in the car that the Toyota 86 has red stitching in place.

examples:

Toyota: http://newautocars.org/wp-content/up...or-picture.jpg
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...3&d=1331046123

Scion: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...0&d=1322712818
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...2&d=1333575026

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Interesting, so the leather/alcantara is offered in North America on the BRZ Limited, very interesting. I shall be using that information.

As for the red stitching, the FR-S has black instead of red stitching on many areas in the car that the Toyota 86 has red stitching in place.

examples:

Toyota: http://newautocars.org/wp-content/up...or-picture.jpg
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...3&d=1331046123

Scion: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...0&d=1322712818
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...2&d=1333575026

I only could find 2 place that they used black stitching.
1. E brake
2. Outside center console

Am I missing anywhere else?

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

For base model, is it cost efficient to have several different material? No. I do agree w keep limited material in limited country (ex: leather trim).

Someone's been bought off. Regardless, the customer ends up paying the difference, the cost is covered regardless of base model or not. It's always more cost efficient to produce in higher numbers, limiting drives up costs. Again, the facilities are already in place so limiting their use is less cost efficient. It's also already been posted in this thread that the BRZ in N.A. has the leather/alcantara. So much for not available in this area, now it is available and they're limiting it to a specific car. That's not cost efficient at all.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I only could find 2 place that they used black stitching.
1. E brake
2. Outside center console

Am I missing anywhere else?

3. Around the speakers on the doors.

There in lies why it doesn't make sense that they removed the red stitching from those locations. It's so few that it can't possibly make a huge difference in the overall cost of the vehicle. Actually, now they have to buy/produce black thread in addition to the red thread. It doesn't make sense why they would change that, at all. Aesthetically, it ruins the look.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Someone's been bought off. Regardless, the customer ends up paying the difference, the cost is covered regardless of base model or not. It's always more cost efficient to produce in higher numbers, limiting drives up costs. Again, the facilities are already in place so limiting their use is less cost efficient. It's also already been posted in this thread that the BRZ in N.A. has the leather/alcantara. So much for not available in this area, now it is available and they're limiting it to a specific car. That's not cost efficient at all.



3. Around the speakers on the doors.

There in lies why it doesn't make sense that they removed the red stitching from those locations. It's so few that it can't possibly make a huge difference in the overall cost of the vehicle. Actually, now they have to buy/produce black thread in addition to the red thread. It doesn't make sense why they would change that, at all. Aesthetically, it ruins the look.

You might be right, idk. Currently, I'm just writing my opinion here. Only Toyota & Subaru reps can answer that.

As for black stitching, RC model is black stitching. So it's not FRS specialized parts. They're just shaving cost here & there... Unless you wanna pay well over $36k for all the features

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

You might be right, idk. Currently, I'm just writing my opinion here. Only Toyota & Subaru reps can answer that.

As for black stitching, RC model is black stitching. So it's not FRS specialized parts. They're just shaving cost here & there... Unless you wanna pay well over $36k for all the features

I have a 2003 Toyota Celica GT-S TRD Panasonic edition *points at sig*. At time of purchase from dealership, after all was said and done, it cost $38k and that's without fog lights and the sunroof. Spec wise, the 7th gen Celica is not far off from the 86. 100hp/L., similar power to weight ratios, obviously similar styling. The GT 86 Limited has even more goodies and better materials, so for $36k, you're damn right I'd pay that.

I want the option, I'm not saying everyone should be forced to get those options. I'm saying they should be available to those who want them, so that way those who don't want them don't have to pay the extra cost for them. Those who do, end up paying. Just because they make them available doesn't mean everyone has to pay over the base price.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I have a 2003 Toyota Celica GT-S TRD Panasonic edition *points at sig*. At time of purchase from dealership, after all was said and done, it cost $38k and that's without fog lights and the sunroof. Spec wise, the 7th gen Celica is not far off from the 86. 100hp/L., similar power to weight ratios, obviously similar styling. The GT 86 Limited has even more goodies and better materials, so for $36k, you're damn right I'd pay that.

Panasonic edi? What's in it?

& not everyone can justifying buy $36k from this car spec... I'm including

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Panasonic edi? What's in it?

Everything the TRD edition has, but they put in a "premium Panasonic" stereo and head unit in it. I believe the colour keyed interior was also part of that package:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

& not everyone can justifying buy $36k from this car spec... I'm including

That's why it's optional.. or rather should be. If you want it, get it, if you don't, don't. You only pay for the options you select.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Everything the TRD edition has, but they put in a "premium Panasonic" stereo and head unit in it. I believe the colour keyed interior was also part of that package:

You gonna keep that or trade it in for an FR-S?

[ichitaka05]

^huh, interesting... Yeah, $38k for that? It's nice and all... but isn't that lil high price tag?

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

You gonna keep that or trade it in for an FR-S?

I'm keeping it. Unless I see the Toyota GT 86 Limited for sale in North America, since it's an upgrade from what I have and the FR-S currently isn't.

If the FR-S ever offers the same options as the GT 86 Limited, I'd consider it as removing Scion logos is relatively easy. (Don't even go the Subaru route with me. Tis a silly place.) I'd really prefer it came straight up from Toyota though, so I don't have to bother with conversion non-sense.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

^huh, interesting... Yeah, $38k for that? It's nice and all... but isn't that lil high price tag?

To some, yes. I don't care though, it's a Toyota sports car and one that is fun as hell to drive and it meets my aesthetic tastes. I enjoy it, therefor it's worth the extra coin to me.

[Celicadude]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I'm keeping it. Unless I see the Toyota GT 86 Limited for sale in North America, since it's an upgrade from what I have and the FR-S currently isn't.

If the FR-S ever offers the same options as the GT 86 Limited, I'd consider it as removing Scion logos is relatively easy. (Don't even go the Subaru route with me. Tis a silly place.)




To some, yes. I don't care though, it's a Toyota sports car and one that is fun as hell to drive and it meets my aesthetic tastes. I enjoy it, therefor it's worth the extra coin to me.

Nice to see some more Celica owners on here. I thought I was the only one. I have an silver 03 also with basically the same TRD package except mine has the jbl upgrade. And yes I agree with you 100%. I totally feel like the FRS is a downgrade equipment wise from my car (handling and driving dynamics are way better on the FRS though) but I can't justify getting rid of the old girl to downgrade to no leather and no HIDs (and no I don't want to install them aftermarket). I am most likely gonna give subaru my money unless I hear something better coming from Toyota options wise for the FRS/86 (but I'm waiting a year for all this hype to die down). Of topic how many miles do have on yours. I'm just about to hit 100k.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

To some, yes. I don't care though, it's a Toyota sports car and one that is fun as hell to drive and it meets my aesthetic tastes. I enjoy it, therefor it's worth the extra coin to me.

I kinda know what you mean.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Celicadude

Nice to see some more Celica owners on here. I thought I was the only one. I have an silver 03 also with basically the same TRD package except mine has the jbl upgrade. And yes I agree with you 100%. I totally feel like the FRS is a downgrade equipment wise from my car (handling and driving dynamics are way better on the FRS though) but I can't justify getting rid of the old girl to downgrade to no leather and no HIDs (and no I don't want to install them aftermarket). I am most likely gonna give subaru my money unless I hear something better coming from Toyota options wise for the FRS/86 (but I'm waiting a year for all this hype to die down). Of topic how many miles do have on yours. I'm just about to hit 100k.

I hear ya, I was expecting way more Celica people here. Any pics?

If you want those options, like I do, and the Toyota badge, let Toyota know. I've been a thorn in their side by messaging them daily on Toyota.com, Toyota.ca, Scion.com, and Scion.ca. Their contact us buttons are small and hidden at the bottom of the pages, but not impossible to get to.

I'm about to hit 82k, mine hibernates during winter.

[Celicadude]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I hear ya, I was expecting way more Celica people here. Any pics?

If you want those options, like I do, and the Toyota badge, let Toyota know. I've been a thorn in their side by messaging them daily on Toyota.com, Toyota.ca, Scion.com, and Scion.ca. Their contact us buttons are small and hidden at the bottom of the pages, but not impossible to get to.

I'm about to hit 82k, mine hibernates during winter.

Here's mine. Bone stock like the day I bought it. Stupid antenna is stuck up though but other than that I baby the hell out of it. I'll definitely write Toyota a long letter on their site. I also heard from other people on here that the toyota/scion people come here regularly and read our comments so I hope there is someone down at HQ making something happen.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Celicadude

Here's mine. Bone stock like the day I bought it. Stupid antenna is stuck up though but other than that I baby the hell out of it. I'll definitely write Toyota a long letter on their site. I also heard from other people on here that the toyota/scion people come here regularly and read our comments so I hope there is someone down at HQ making something happen.

Nice. Yeah, those antenna do that after a while. My '90 Cressida eventually did that... only it was stuck down... T_T

Thanks, the more they hear from people like us, the better. They limit the initial questions on the forms to 300 characters. After that though, you can respond to their response with as many as you want.

Yeah, I've heard the same, that's why I make shameless plugs whenever I can <.<; I hope they are watching and listening, but more so doing something to make the Toyota happen.

[blu_]

What does the JDM top trim Toyota have that the BRZ Limited does not here?

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Celicadude

Here's mine. Bone stock like the day I bought it. Stupid antenna is stuck up though but other than that I baby the hell out of it. I'll definitely write Toyota a long letter on their site. I also heard from other people on here that the toyota/scion people come here regularly and read our comments so I hope there is someone down at HQ making something happen.

Nice.

Yeah, those antennas always have problems. I don't think I've ever seen a car with a perfectly working antenna like that over 5 years old. And they cost several hundred to fix (according to my dealer).