Josh's Innovate intercooled 70mm pulleyed 92oct results

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The numbers aren't impressive but not horrible. I've hit the wall on this kit and the only thing I can do running 92oct gas is to get a different kit, run meth injection, or run e85 (or both). I'd prefer to stay on the normal gas for convenience.

The kit can only run on the stock MAP sensor as any other sensor like the 3bar with freak out the ECU at the top end for an unknown reason. There's no post blower temp reading.

I'd say this kit is great for someone that wants about what you see in HP/TQ and doesn't want to bother getting supporting mods like exhaust, intake, a clutch, injectors, or fuel pump, and an OEM look, or just that nice supercharger whine.

The two lines are 75mm stock pulley, not intercooled, 92oct gas on BRZedit tune @Drift-Office Bob correct me if I'm wrong). The second is 70mm pulley, intercooled, 92oct gas on EcuTek.

Big props to Bob at Drift Office @Drift-Office and Mike at Moto East @moto-mike for figuring out the difficulties with this kit and making my car shine with what it has. You've earned a loyal customer with your superb customer service and quality work.

[DarrenDriven]

Nice, you made a few more horses than I did.

I added this dyno sheet to the Innovate list.

This probably belongs in your build topic, not in its own topic, though.

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Originally Posted by DarrenDriven

Nice, you made a few more horses than I did.

I added this dyno sheet to the Innovate list.

This probably belongs in your build topic, not in its own topic, though.

It's in my build thread too. I just though I'd put it here since I doubt people look at my build thread very often.

[Jmonty]

Looks like a nice power curve. Did Bob say why he likes the EcuTec over the BRZedit as far as a tune?

[evan]

Good numbers!

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

The two lines are 75mm stock pulley, not intercooled, 92oct gas on BRZedit tune @Drift-Office Bob correct me if I'm wrong). The second is 70mm pulley, intercooled, 92oct gas on EcuTek.

Both of them were with 92 Octane, ECUTek. The first one was our calibration pre-intercooler install. The second was a custom calibration from @moto-mike, which I strongly recommend all who have the Innovate setup to at least get a calibration from.

I couldn't figure out why the setup was wigging out after the IC was installed and only after conferring with Mike @ Moto-East was it then I was told that it was an issue everyone was seeing (it's in the Innovate owner's thread) and that the stock MAP sensor was needed to fix this.

I had previously spent over 2 weeks trying to figure it out up to that point, so I have no wish to address this setup, ever again.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

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Originally Posted by Jmonty

Looks like a nice power curve. Did Bob say why he likes the EcuTec over the BRZedit as far as a tune?

It's better tuning software and gives them better and more options for making the car run great.

[evan]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

It's better tuning software and gives them better and more options for making the car run great.

This is not 100% true. Take a world class tuner for example: If he can properly tune a car for peak power and drivability on EcuTek, then there is no technical reason why he can't do the same on brzedit. True, EcuTek has some features (we'll call them value-adds) that brzedit doesn't, but in my experience with software it will only be a matter of time when that will no longer be the case. It's not the tool that nets a great tune.. It's the tuner. It's akin to an IT engineer arguing about whether VBscript, PowerShell or Perl is best. They are equally good scripting languages. They are all powerful in the right hands.

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Originally Posted by evan

This is not 100% true. Take a world class tuner for example: If he can properly tune a car for peak power and drivability on EcuTek, then there is no technical reason why he can't do the same on brzedit. True, EcuTek has some features (we'll call them value-adds) that brzedit doesn't, but in my experience with software it will only be a matter of time when that will no longer be the case. It's not the tool that nets a great tune.. It's the tuner. It's akin to an IT engineer arguing about whether VBscript, PowerShell or Perl is best. They are equally good scripting languages. They are all powerful in the right hands.

I was just repeating what 3 other tuners have told me. They think EcuTek is better for what they are doing. I'm sure they could get a similar or the same quality tune out of BRZedit. Apple vs orange. They both are food and give you nutrition, they just get there a little differently even though they are both fruit.

[evan]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

I was just repeating what 3 other tuners have told me. They think EcuTek is better for what they are doing. I'm sure they could get a similar or the same quality tune out of BRZedit. Apple vs orange. They both are food and give you nutrition, they just get there a little differently even though they are both fruit.

Yeah man.. Not frustrated by you, but rather by all of the differing opinions, stances, recommendations, etc. I feel like it's almost best to take matters into your own hands. It's just insane how the 86 community is so burdened by tuning. On my old f-body it was never this dramatic. Never this intense. I drove that car 75k miles and only tuned it once. Made almost 400 at the wheels. Never a CEL, never a problem. All of this e-tuning stuff is utter crap!

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

Both of them were with 92 Octane, ECUTek. The first one was our calibration pre-intercooler install. The second was a custom calibration from @moto-mike, which I strongly recommend all who have the Innovate setup to at least get a calibration from.

I couldn't figure out why the setup was wigging out after the IC was installed and only after conferring with Mike @ Moto-East was it then I was told that it was an issue everyone was seeing (it's in the Innovate owner's thread) and that the stock MAP sensor was needed to fix this.

I had previously spent over 2 weeks trying to figure it out up to that point, so I have no wish to address this setup, ever again.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

So your issues was with a MAP sensor and not the kit? K just making sure.

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Originally Posted by NickFRS

So your issues was with a MAP sensor and not the kit? K just making sure.

Yes, aftermarket map sensors don't work with this kit intercooled. The tune from the previous company months ago never felt right driving it. The new tune is much better. I like the EcuTek goodies a little more as well. Easier to manage with the cruise control stick.

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Originally Posted by evan

Yeah man.. Not frustrated by you, but rather by all of the differing opinions, stances, recommendations, etc. I feel like it's almost best to take matters into your own hands. It's just insane how the 86 community is so burdened by tuning. On my old f-body it was never this dramatic. Never this intense. I drove that car 75k miles and only tuned it once. Made almost 400 at the wheels. Never a CEL, never a problem. All of this e-tuning stuff is utter crap!

I know what you mean. I've felt some of your pain on my end as well. I hate wasting money and that's what's happened. I guess I shouldn't complain too much since I've wasted far more money on dates that went no where.

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

Yes, aftermarket map sensors don't work with this kit intercooled. The tune from the previous company months ago never felt right driving it. The new tune is much better. I like the EcuTek goodies a little more as well. Easier to manage with the cruise control stick.

That good man! Yea the last tune PRE put on our cars was crap compared to whats on them now. I'll say the name for you. lol.