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Old 02-29-2012, 10:47 AM   #1
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Smile vs Lexus IS300?




215 hp
Curb Weight: 3255 lbs
18-25 mpg

...and the 2JZ.

I'm starting to consider getting one of these guys in 5-spd manual, autocrossing it, and eventually getting a later-model BRZ or FR-S. They run about $10,000 to $15,000 for a 2001-2005 in good shape.

Good idea or bad idea?
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Old 02-29-2012, 11:00 AM   #2
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I can't wait to see the difference between that and an frs/brz. I've had one, tracked it, was GREAT, very impressive (it's still pretty much a 4 door supra). For autocrossing though, it may be quite heavy. You'll need a very good set of coilovers and a model with the LSD from factory at least.

I loved that car, wish I never sold it and i'm hoping the frsbrz will make me forget it.
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^^ Indeed. I've been looking for a 5 speed for a while. Iv'e only found one that was in good shape but it was red. I hate red.
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i stopped my quest for a 5speed IS300 a long time ago. Shit was Unicorn Status
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I'm looking to get IS300 5MT or 06-07 WRX 5MT for a while before getting BRZ, but IS300 5MT is super rare and WRX is overpriced in my area.
I used to drive the IS300 AT model many times. Great car, fun ride, but not luxurious as it should be.
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mmmm I've always found the IS300 sexy.
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I've wanted this car for a couple years, was supposed to be my first car until my cuz who was selling it wrecked it. Oh wells.

I think the RS200 is a better comparison to the 86

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I've wanted this car for a couple years, was supposed to be my first car until my cuz who was selling it wrecked it. Oh wells.

I think the RS200 is a better comparison to the 86
The RS200 was the first Toyota car they claimed to be the 'spiritual successor' to the AE86. So perfect comparison?

It was also the car used to compare the weight and/or dynamics of the FT86 in one of the Japanese interviews, too.
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Maybe they sold more 5MT's in Canada, because I have quite a few friends with them. Don't seem to be too unicorn to me.

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I may just look for a cheap auto and do a 1J swap with a 5speed. Ive done auto to manual swaps before and it's not too difficult.
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boy do i miss my 01 IS300
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Standard IS300 have always been pretty rare from what I understand, as several other posters have noted. I've only seen a handful in person over the years. I think the IS300 would take better to mods than this boxer 4, but that's merely speculation.
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Standard IS300 have always been pretty rare from what I understand, as several other posters have noted. I've only seen a handful in person over the years. I think the IS300 would take better to mods than this boxer 4, but that's merely speculation.
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5speed IS300's are a myth, Like Santa Claus or sock goblins.
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There's 2 in my area for sale that are almost identical. Two silver 2004 5-speeds with ivory leather interior and sport design package. First has 35k miles for $16k and second has 88k miles for $12k...they're definitely pricey but i doubt they'll depreciate much further.
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I was never really happy with my 01 IS300, partly because it was auto and partly because it was so heavy and unbalanced. I did Greddy coilovers, Hotchkis sway bars & some subframe braces and still the car was very unpredictable at the limit. I autocrossed it a few times and it was rather quick but I never really enjoyed driving it that much. I had a lot of close calls in terms of oversteer on the street, luckily my reflexes were quick enough and I never had an incidents but since then I've driven a few BMWs and they all were very progressive at the limit and felt much more balanced.

I honestly think the IS300 is one of those cars that was trying to be too many things at once. Lexus took the balance out of the car by adding the big iron 3L to give it that "luxury" grunt Americans want. The 2JZ made it front heavy, it got terrible gas mileage, I averaged around 16 city driving spiritedly. In Japan the car came with a lighter high revving 2L inline 4, which gave the car better balance and I'm sure it was a better driving experience.

The 5 speeds are notorious for being weak and having long term issues, and I blew my auto trans at 50k miles...luckily it was covered under powertrain but overall it wasn't the best owning experience. It was in pretty mint condition and I sold it for 10k with 55k miles with a new transmission in it. I just wanted it gone. Don't mean to be a buzzkill but just figured I'd give my $.2 since I owned one for a couple years. They look fantastic and in terms of a daily I think they'd be great if they didn't guzzle so much gas, which I don't mind if the car is quick but even with intake, tune & exhaust they are slow. You have to boost them in order to get real power and that's a total headache.

Here's an old video from 07 from the first autocross I did with it, was fun but again...felt like a pig! Excuse the terrible video quality!

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not a buzzkill at all, just a good reality check. I'm really looking for feedback of current and previous owners of the car.

When you say that "The 5 speeds are notorious for being weak and having long term issues", do you mean the automatic or manual?

PS. Cool video, looked like fun.
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not a buzzkill at all, just a good reality check. I'm really looking for feedback of current and previous owners of the car.

When you say that "The 5 speeds are notorious for being weak and having long term issues", do you mean the automatic or manual?
The manuals, they don't hold up well to spirited driving over time and they will NOT handle boosting. The autos are a little stronger in terms of holding power but it's an auto, can't have much fun with it...at least that's me.

I will say I was impressed that at least in the 01's the auto would hold a gear in sport mode, it would bounce off the limiter & wouldn't auto upshift like the garbage out there today. I'm sure me hitting the limiter wasn't good for the tranny and like I mentioned I blew my trans, wasn't pretty. I was drifting around a lot and it just dumped all the fluid, techs said I grenaded the torque converter somehow.

Everyone I know who has had a 5 speed has had at least one clutch in it or worse, and those who went turbo had to swap the Supra's getrag 6 in, go 5 speed auto or 4 speed Supra auto. The reason I got rid of the car was because in order to make it fast or balanced it would take a huge amount of money and custom work, something I wasn't willing to do. I went and bought a driver's car instead and never looked back.
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bmw 330i/ci is a better choice
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bmw 330i/ci is a better choice
Why? I did compare IS200 vs 320, and lexus is better. It did have better steering feel and it is much more cheaper to maintain. And lexus is better looking car

I did own IS200 and i loved it. Very, very good car to drive. Bad mileage tho
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