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View Poll Results: Have you had an issue with your Direct Injection System?
I have had a DI issue and was fixed under warranty (Subaru) 5 9.09%
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was fixed under warranty (Subaru) 2 3.64%
I have had a DI issue and was fixed under warranty (Toyota) 26 47.27%
I have had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was fixed under warranty (Toyota) 2 3.64%
I have had a DI issue and denied warranty by (Subaru) 6 10.91%
I have had a DI issue and denied warranty by (Toyota) 7 12.73%
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was Denied warranty (Subaru) 5 9.09%
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was Denied warranty (Toyota) 2 3.64%
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:17 AM   #155
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Jamesm, you should be able to guess that number, since you know the number of members on this forum.

Let's say 10% of all members have seen this thread, then less than 1% of all cars are affected by it (assuming all members who are affect by it have participated in this poll).
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:52 PM   #156
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I want to know if a single automatic has been affected. The shift points are different the stock tunes ran more rich up top compared to the stock mt tunes.
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Just got back from my euro trip, and got a full day at the nurburgring and a chance to talk to the Bjorn from http://www.rentracecar.de. Rentaracecar uses the toyobaru platform for some of their rentals. I asked Bjorn if they had had any trouble with the cars and he said two of the cars were at the shop for direct injection issues. He mentioned that all of the GT-86 rent cars had suffered this issue as well as spark plug related problems, he said they are anxious to get rid of them. Being this the case they only had two GT86's available and they were both rented, cant complain though i got to drive the Sirocco cup car and even though its FWD it was quite fast and fun. This confirmed my fear that even cars in cold weather are going to start to see this issue.



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Just got back from my euro trip, and got a full day at the nurburgring and a chance to talk to the Bjorn from http://www.rentracecar.de. Rentaracecar uses the toyobaru platform for some of their rentals. I asked Bjorn if they had had any trouble with the cars and he said two of the cars were at the shop for direct injection issues. He mentioned that all of the GT-86 rent cars had suffered this issue as well as spark plug related problems, he said they are anxious to get rid of them. Being this the case they only had two GT86's available and they were both rented, cant complain though i got to drive the Sirocco cup car and even though its FWD it was quite fast and fun. This confirmed my fear that even cars in cold weather are going to start to see this issue.



Well, that sucks. I wonder what the members, *cough Toyota employees, defending the denial of warranty for the guys having seal and detonation issues are going to say now...
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Just got back from my euro trip, and got a full day at the nurburgring and a chance to talk to the Bjorn from http://www.rentracecar.de. Rentaracecar uses the toyobaru platform for some of their rentals. I asked Bjorn if they had had any trouble with the cars and he said two of the cars were at the shop for direct injection issues. He mentioned that all of the GT-86 rent cars had suffered this issue as well as spark plug related problems, he said they are anxious to get rid of them. Being this the case they only had two GT86's available and they were both rented, cant complain though i got to drive the Sirocco cup car and even though its FWD it was quite fast and fun. This confirmed my fear that even cars in cold weather are going to start to see this issue.





This post should be at the front page of this forum. It is a direct indicator of what all of us will be facing as we pass warranty.
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Super news, what were the issues with spark plugs, obviously just melting down?
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I wonder when Toyota and Subaru are going to address this problem. Can someone take note of this and get this issue published on a major website such as Autoblog and Jalopnik?
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sub'd....interesting to see how this turns out. Judging by the poll, it doesn't sound very common and there are A LOT of people tracking these cars.
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I wonder when Toyota and Subaru are going to address this problem. Can someone take note of this and get this issue published on a major website such as Autoblog and Jalopnik?
Its time to take the issue public.


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sub'd....interesting to see how this turns out. Judging by the poll, it doesn't sound very common and there are A LOT of people tracking these cars.
Not as many people are tracking these as you think and they are short sessions. The track/autocross forum here is pretty stagnant compared to a Miata forum. The power users like cgsmike are the ones falling victim first.



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Well, Rent a Racecar cars suffer from a lot of abuse in the first place:

Every car failed. Its an ideal accelerated wear test. All this means is if you drive spirited it will affect you eventually, how many miles is the only question.

With engines seizing from this I don't blame that rental company from dropping the twins, that is a serious safety hazard not only on the track but on the street.
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so, in summary

should i add mechanical break down coverage from insurance company for <$10 a month, stop worrying and beat the car silly?
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Well, Rent a Racecar cars suffer from a lot of abuse in the first place:
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I guess the driver was either terrible in that video or the car isn't as neutral around corners. Looked like understeer to me.
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so, in summary

should i add mechanical break down coverage from insurance company for <$10 a month, stop worrying and beat the car silly?
I would think if your car is stock and under warranty you shouldn't worry but after the warranty time expires you should jump on that coverage. I need to check if my insurance has the same thing.
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I would think if your car is stock and under warranty you shouldn't worry but after the warranty time expires you should jump on that coverage. I need to check if my insurance has the same thing.

Isn't that sort of coverage only good if your engine completely breaks down? If you are astute to your engine making odd noises and bring it in they will probably just call this normal wear and tear?

One scenario is enough people complain and they fix this issue by the 2015 MY and those of us who drive "aggressively" will throw a rod and get a good engine before the 5 years is up. Definitely document oil changes and pay for the 30k mile service racket


Better would be to find a tuner to develop a conservative 99.999% detonation free tune, not just modify the transient retard table but really dive deep into preventing detonation to the point that the knock correction index is not a factor.

I think Toyotas hands are tied with emission promises, I'm looking at investing in BRZ-edit and fix the transient ignition, make closed loop as minimal as possible, find the right spots to pull timing and add fuel. But need fresh O-rings first. Shouldn't be that difficult. If someone figures it out hopefully it will be shared with the community.
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Well, that sucks. I wonder what the members, *cough Toyota employees, defending the denial of warranty for the guys having seal and detonation issues are going to say now...
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I guess the driver was either terrible in that video or the car isn't as neutral around corners. Looked like understeer to me.
They do understeer! Terribly, out of the box!

Better tyres and more rear bar helps, to a point !
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Super news, what were the issues with spark plugs, obviously just melting down?

I think he was referring to the coil pack issue. He said the VW's and Suzuki were pretty much trouble free even though they had more Km's



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They do understeer! Terribly, out of the box!

Better tyres and more rear bar helps, to a point !
These were running Federal 595 RS-R coilovers and thats it. Sirocco i drove also had Federals and i was quite surprised with the amount of grip they had.

http://www.federaltire.com/en/produc...ts_detail_sn=5
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I think he was referring to the coil pack issue. He said the VW's and Suzuki were pretty much trouble free even though they had more Km's


Did anyone ever determine if its the coils failing overheating DI or vice versa? Or is it still back to the tuning problems?
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my electrode broke inside the cylinder. i was lucky enough that it came out of the exhaust valve
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Not as many people are tracking these as you think and they are short sessions. The track/autocross forum here is pretty stagnant compared to a Miata forum. The power users like cgsmike are the ones falling victim first.
The disturbing part is how few track miles are actually on the car. The locals will tell you that while the car is often present at the car, it rarely does more than a handful of laps on a given day as we're testing parts or giving rides. The majority of the car's miles are street miles. AFAIK, the car had about 25-26k miles on the odo when it was towed to the dealer...
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I figured this thread could use some perspective from a former RX8 owner who got a up close and personal view of a sports car with engine reliability issues (my 2004 never had a seal issue and was still going strong on the original engine at 85k - thanks royal purple).

First, if there really is a problem that can lead to catastrophic engine failure, Toyota/Subaru will eventually be forced to acknowledge and remedy the issue, likely with a updated flash (done) and an extended power train warranty like Mazda did with the RX8 (8 years or 100k).

I believe that Subaru was working on its own DI system for the car which is likely to be a 14-15 change? which may or may not remedy the issue limiting the issue to '13 vehicles. For those of us with MY 13 cars I would start exploring the following strategies below.


The best way to get Toyota/Subaru to acknowledge the issue (if there is one) is to reach out to the auto media, Autoblog, Car and Driver, Edmunds and Road and Track would be a good start. they all have long term test cars (most of which are nearing the end of their 20k test period) and they would likely jump on the issue. Folks should start emailing them. This worked for the RX8 (do a search for RX8 and mulligan in google if you want to read about that saga).

Next, it appears we may need stronger injector seals. fortunately, this isn't the first car with the issue and it appears that the Mazda DISI engine in the speed 3,6, and CX7 had seal issue and CP-e Engineering helped develop a better seal. we should reach out to them for the high horsepower/track guys as there is a ton of potential to sell a similar product given the aftermarket love for the car.

Current owners should keep could maintenance records on their cars, nothing crazy just save your maintenance receipts if you do the work yourself and keep a log (a good idea anyways).

The issues above while concerning are not yet in my opinion a reason to completely freak out. without knowing build dates, mileage and other driving conditions its hard to tell how wide spread the issue is. It appears to have shown up mostly in cars driven hard which means its pretty limited in terms of total number of vehicles at this point. Of course those are the true enthusiasts who often find themselves pseudo Guinea Pigs for stress testing the first model year out.

The only folks that "could" be in a pickle are the FI guys if you suffered a engine issue down the road. If your not experiencing the issue currently (we have several local guys who haven't had any issues) and you've been reflashed at this point I would just look for upgraded parts in the future to remedy the problem. Again we should reach out to CP-e engineering and find out how they fixed the DISI problems.
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