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View Poll Results: Have you had an issue with your Direct Injection System?
I have had a DI issue and was fixed under warranty (Subaru) 8 11.94%
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was fixed under warranty (Subaru) 2 2.99%
I have had a DI issue and was fixed under warranty (Toyota) 29 43.28%
I have had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was fixed under warranty (Toyota) 3 4.48%
I have had a DI issue and denied warranty by (Subaru) 7 10.45%
I have had a DI issue and denied warranty by (Toyota) 10 14.93%
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was Denied warranty (Subaru) 6 8.96%
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was Denied warranty (Toyota) 2 2.99%
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:42 PM   #120
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no offense, i'm ESL, but to me these sound like:

1. "...I think there are some things working against you here. 1st, those videos are mostly all "timed events"..." => "going to the track to push your car and your driving skills to the limit is wrong and can void your warranty as you should really be just cruising around 2-3k rpm" ftw is the difference if it's officially timed or not if the point of going to the track is actually drive it at its limits?

2. "Thousands ... drive these cars aggressively every day ...Given the ratio of cars ... adjusted for those that had the ECU played with, what are the odds ..., the odds are astronomically in favor of something other than a manufacturing issue... " => "there is an obvious conspiracy on this forum against the most reliable car maker (who always sorts it out and make it right at their expense and have a proven record of doing right by owners) because all the people who have blown their engines are dishonest - they either participate in timed events or have ecu tune, or both, and they spread lies about toyota/subaru and their quality and willingness/readiness to address any issues because they want their engine fixed under warranty"

or did I get it wrong?

oh and that disclaimer "..I'm not accusing you of being dishonest..." really doesn't sound sincere
The dude works for Toyota or Subaru, its pretty clear...
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:44 PM   #121
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Second, you've had two identical motor issues, similar to those known to coincidentally result from lean condition AM "tune" failures. Given the ratio of cars in service to cars with DI leaks, adjusted for those that had the ECU played with, what are the odds that one car with no tune would have this happen twice? I don't know the number, but as it stands currently, the odds are astronomically in favor of something other than a manufacturing issue affecting your car. Those odds are doubled since its happened twice. I'm not accusing you of being dishonest, but I understand Subaru's position.
Then what are you accusing him of? Are you an engineer? Do you have information that we are not privy to?
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Well, I do hope you Guys get it sorted out. Obviously, continuing to put new motors in the car can't go on for long. Here's a vid from the OP:
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Can you point to the section of the warranty prohibits this?
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Eh, the drama got less fun and became tedious and annoying.

Speculate all you want on whether or not people are lying about having a stock drivetrain or whether or not the problem is solely related to aftermarket mawds.

It's happening, how widespread is it: does it affect EVERYONE if they drive their car hard or is it a minority that are susceptible?
What is the official response as reported by people who have the problem?
Everything else is just stroking your e-peen.

This has me nervous to do a track day, I've been putting it off but I think I'll just do it anyway.
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Or any info that I'm not privy to?

Must I remind you (in case you didn't see in the other thread) that the BRZ is NOT my car? I just drive it.... lol

We're willing to make our car/engine/ecu/whatever available for examination by anyone and everyone who is qualified. There's nothing to hide here.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:57 PM   #125
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Tag you are it.

Find root cause, develop action plan, apply appropriate fixes.

There is enough data now, damage and even TSB from other markets point to issues with the fuel system parts and tuning.

We as owners will never get a straight answer from the OEM on what they are doing, the problem etc.

They want the younger crowd, the aftermarket support and enthusiast and press attention? It all comes at a cost, their owners are going to expect a high level of service and transparency Toyota and Subaru are not equipped to provide at this point.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with break in, easy vs. hard. The seal might require heat cycling before it becomes resistant to deterioration...

Would also explain why it's happening repeatedly on cars that failed before, they didn't "break in" the seals. Please prove me wrong on this one.
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Tag you are it.

Find root cause, develop action plan, apply appropriate fixes.

There is enough data now, damage and even TSB from other markets point to issues with the fuel system parts and tuning.

We as owners will never get a straight answer from the OEM on what they are doing, the problem etc.

They want the younger crowd, the aftermarket support and enthusiast and press attention? It all comes at a cost, their owners are going to expect a high level of service and transparency Toyota and Subaru are not equipped to provide at this point.
Our goal is to have Subaru of America ACKNOWLEDGE that there is a problem. They have not done so. Yet.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with break in, easy vs. hard. The seal might require heat cycling before it becomes resistant to deterioration...
Both of our engines saw "easy" break-ins. Low load, low RPM. It was miserable.
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The dude works for Toyota or Subaru, its pretty clear...
It certainly appears that way.
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no offense, i'm ESL, but to me these sound like:

1. "...I think there are some things working against you here. 1st, those videos are mostly all "timed events"..." => "going to the track to push your car and your driving skills to the limit is wrong and can void your warranty as you should really be just cruising around 2-3k rpm" ftw is the difference if it's officially timed or not if the point of going to the track is actually drive it at its limits?

2. "Thousands ... drive these cars aggressively every day ...Given the ratio of cars ... adjusted for those that had the ECU played with, what are the odds ..., the odds are astronomically in favor of something other than a manufacturing issue... " => "there is an obvious conspiracy on this forum against the most reliable car maker (who always sorts it out and make it right at their expense and have a proven record of doing right by owners) because all the people who have blown their engines are dishonest - they either participate in timed events or have ecu tune, or both, and they spread lies about toyota/subaru and their quality and willingness/readiness to address any issues because they want their engine fixed under warranty"

or did I get it wrong?

oh and that disclaimer "..I'm not accusing you of being dishonest..." really doesn't sound sincere
Congratulations, is post is the biggest waste of time in this thread.
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The dude works for Toyota or Subaru, its pretty clear...
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Then what are you accusing him of? Are you an engineer? Do you have information that we are not privy to?
I don't see an accusation there at all. I'm also not here to defend myself against post whores who add nothing to the discussion. Got better things to do.
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Oh no. I'm busted. Check the contact info in my profile, geniuses. I run a vet clinic.

I don't see an accusation there at all. I'm also not here to defend myself against post whores who add nothing to the discussion. Got better things to do.
Then you must be blind.

Oh, so I'm a post whore who added nothing to the discussion? Go back and read the first few replies to Mike's thread junior.

Regardless of your professional endeavors, at least as you claim them to be (because your profile is gospel truth, lol), you have a blind allegiance to the manufacturers here, that is clear to many...

"Got better things to do", then why do you keep replying?
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Congratulations, is post is the biggest waste of time in this thread.
well, i just wanted to clarify where you stand so you don't have repeat yourself with variation of logically same words diarrhea on all the threads on this issue. short and to the point.
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Can you point to the section of the warranty prohibits this?
Give him a minute, he's asking his bosses at Toyota/Subaru exactly where it is right now...
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^This kind of noise reminds me of why I hadn't posted here in 6 months. You clowns are a real asset here.
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^This kind of noise reminds me of why I hadn't posted here in 6 months. You clowns are a real asset here.
And yet somehow, we did just fine without you.

I am an asset. I personally arranged for and assisted with the development of 50+ new parts for our platform...what have you done? Nothing.

Your failure to address any of my statements has not been overlooked. You sure like to dish but you can't take anything can you?
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