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Old 01-31-2012, 01:08 PM   #1
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GT86 Driven: Pistonheads

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests..._campaign=GT86

about it's track capabilities:
"[...]that the standard brakes didn't like the abuse and began to fade after three laps[...]

That supports my decision to wait a year or longer for a STi Version with supercharger and suitable brakes.
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:10 PM   #2
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^i guess better brake pads isn't an option for you
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:11 PM   #3
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It probably needs better pads? Probably was worn out to begin with.
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It probably needs better pads? Probably was worn out to begin with.
No, Impreza pads aren't great pads to begin with. It's eco pads, so if you wanna track it, it's best replace w better pads
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^i guess better brake pads isn't an option for you
It is but only in combination with 4 piston front brakes and good brake cooling. I'm sure Subaru or Toyota will release a more track focused car in the future
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I would expect that since they are oem brakes. That probably explains why the Gazoo FT86 @ Nurburgring had the brake cooling duct and probably something Toyota/Subaru will update in the later versions.
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Anyone noticed the "GT 86" badge at the rear end of the car? Saw it the first time - looks nice.

Due to the thing with the fading brakes: In some other reviews the were always talking about stable, well performing brakes
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Anyone noticed the "GT 86" badge at the rear end of the car? Saw it the first time - looks nice.

Due to the thing with the fading brakes: In some other reviews the were always talking about stable, well performing brakes
I assume your Celica Gt-4 does not have stock pads in it? As was brought up, people run stock 2 piston WRX brakes all the time on the track with just fluid,pads and lines. No worries.
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I assume your Celica Gt-4 does not have stock pads in it? As was brought up, people run stock 2 piston WRX brakes all the time on the track with just fluid,pads and lines. No worries.
You're right: There are EBC Yellowstuff pads installed - 2 laps on Nürburgring Nordschleife in a row are possible without any problems - but even stock the brakes are awesome (4 piston front brakes)!
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Subaru? Supercharger? Keep waiting.
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It was mentioned in the review below (at that same event) that each journalist had a 10 lap stint one after another but many would not do a cool down lap. Therefore, the three cars available suffered from brake fade and shudder. One car experienced complete brake fade and was taken out temporarily for repair.

There isn't a brade pad in the world that would take that abuse. However, OEM brake pads are not designed for track use so I would be willing to bet a pad upgrade would solve the fade problems for track use on stock tires. Maybe cooling ducts would be necessary on slicks.

http://blogs.km77.com/teletransporte/7899/toyota-gt-86/
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Guess some journalists are just more aware of vehicle dynamics than others.
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Stock pads are always going to do that. Pads, lines, fluids and some home depot ducting will solve 90% of the braking issues on the track.
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Always? I disagree. My Mini John Cooper Works has got stock brake cooling (looks well finished into the front bumper. No need to cut out the fog lamps), stock 4 piston breaks, stock brake pads and is suitable for the track. I only switched to performance brake pads because of the brake pad wear, though fading never was an issue.
Same for my mates Renault Megane RS which also got a slip differential (I envy him for that )

So, there are some cars with track capabilities and I'm excited what sharper version Subaru might release in the future because the whole concept of the car is utterly good and cries for power and bigger brakes.
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All these reviews of people having a kick ass time driving the the 86 are driving me nuts.. Seriously. I want to drive the damn thing already.
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Always? I disagree. My Mini John Cooper Works has got stock brake cooling (looks well finished into the front bumper. No need to cut out the fog lamps), stock 4 piston breaks, stock brake pads and is suitable for the track.
John Cooper Works is not considered "stock", it's an option package that includes some track-worthy bits. But for what it's worth, I've seen a fair share of stock Minis running the stock 2-piston front brakes with upgraded pads and fluid at the track with no problem. Yes, some cars do need to upgrade to BBKs to be competitive, but those are becoming fewer. Also, relying on the views of a singular car magazine that a) may have driven a car abused by previous journalists, and/or b) driven by their weakest driver is not a very good gauge of how the car will behave.

Before possibly wasting money, I'd recommend doing a staged upgrade to the brakes of the 86/BRZ; pads and fluid are cheap and easy to do yourself. If after do a staged upgrade and a track day you find the brake fade too much, that is the time to get bigger brakes. If not, congratulations, you can use the money you just saved on tires.
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^^It's actually a optioned model. Kinda like a R-Spec 2.0t GC.
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Anyone noticed the "GT 86" badge at the rear end of the car? Saw it the first time - looks nice.

Due to the thing with the fading brakes: In some other reviews the were always talking about stable, well performing brakes
Not sure i like that badge to be honest - might take the "GT" off or the whole thing alltogether maybe
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^^It's actually a optioned model. Kinda like a R-Spec 2.0t GC.
Option package, option model, still "optional" not stock.
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Option package, option model, still "optional" not stock.
But it isn't aftermarket it's a OEM pkg. That was the guys point. I love the fact that OEM companies offer these upgrades anyway.

Also any car you buy from a dealership in OEM is stock. You meant to say his car isn't a BASE model?
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Option package, option model, still "optional" not stock.
It's an OEM option when you buy the car. It gets delivered to you with those options, from the OEM, installed. That's stock.

You're saying when I buy a 911 and I tick the box for the ceramic brakes, that's not stock? Yeah right...
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Anyone noticed the "GT 86" badge at the rear end of the car? Saw it the first time - looks nice.
Where did that come from? This is the first I have seen/noticed it. Not sure if I am digging it but it makes me wonder what else is going to pop up on this car.
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