New found RESPECT for MT drivers.

[MRZ415]

So tonight I went and had my first lesson
on how to drive MT..
the car used was a 2005 Honda Civic(value package)..
The car had NO tachometer and my instructor was like its better this way..
I was like okay ... I guess the FORCE is strong with this one.
I was going fine in the parking lot.. but once I left I saw car after car
heck I even stall a few times due to panic trying to Launch fast..

Long story short ... getting the feel of the clutch and when to
lift off and apply more gas was quite daunting since I drive
a AUTOBOX((DSG))...

Someday with enough lessons I will only need to listen to
the car telling me when to shift.

[ichitaka05]

Welcome to the MT world. No Tach is kinda hard (IMO). I taught few of my friends how to drive MT & after first lesson, first thing they say is "you guys do thing every day? Don't you get tired?" lol

[#87]

I know just enough to not stall. I still don't have a smooth drive since my car is auto, I only drive manual if I have to borrow a car which is not often. Still get that nervous feeling on steep inclines

But you will get it soon enough, and don't let anyone make fun of you because

[CSSM]

Agreed, I tried once on a really old Jetta with broken power steering and a terrible clutch. It was really sensitive on the balance between the gas and clutch, so frustrating! Maybe if I get a manual FR-S it will be easier, but still.

[tranzformer]

Welcome. Once you master it, you will never go back and will wonder why you drove AT all those years.

[Guff]

I think the best way learn MT is to get a car with at least 500HP and a ridiculously tough Stage 3 Carbon Full-Body-Workout Clutch. Once they learn how to not stall that off the line, then you won't stall anything!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Welcome to the MT world. No Tach is kinda hard (IMO). I taught few of my friends how to drive MT & after first lesson, first thing they say is "you guys do thing every day? Don't you get tired?" lol

I learned how to drive MT on an Isuzu Pickup truck with no tach :P

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I learned how to drive MT on an Isuzu Pickup truck with no tach :P

Not saying impossible, just harder (IMO).

[Longhorn248]

MT is the way to go if you want to feel involved while driving. Eventually you can sit on a hill without using the brakes.

[#87]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

MT is the way to go if you want to feel involved while driving. Eventually you can sit on a hill without using the brakes.

Is that good for your car?

[MRZ415]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

MT is the way to go if you want to feel involved while driving. Eventually you can sit on a hill without using the brakes.

my instructor had me try to HOLD on a speed bump ...
I failed and stalled a couple of times tho ...
but If I can master MT with NO tach then I guess I'll be
one with the FORCE.

Tonight lesson was 1 hour long .. I started in a parking lot
then moved onto a back alleyway..
I find once I am on second rolling thru the gears were easy...
but after I go to N to prepare to STOP... I can FEEL the pressure
of the people behind me as I slowly dis-engage the clutch and lift off
again((how I stalled a couple times)).

[Snoopyalien24]

I mainly learned (before I had my license or permits) in a 2003 Mustang GT hehe V8, then practiced with a Ford Ranger pickup. Was way harder being a 4cylinder and 3rd grinding all the time. Oh yeah still before my license or permits. Haven't touched these cars in about a year or so.

I love MT and will be getting MT

[dalli]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Welcome to the MT world. No Tach is kinda hard (IMO). I taught few of my friends how to drive MT & after first lesson, first thing they say is "you guys do thing every day? Don't you get tired?" lol

I learned how to drive MT in pakistan in cars that didnt have a Tach, at first before i sat in the driver seat, my first question was... how the hell do you know when to shift.

I just listen to the engine and see how it behaved so from there on, I just listened to the engine to tell me when 2 shift. I was single digit age at that time HAHAHA.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by #87

Is that good for your car?

Not really, so you shouldn't make a habit of it. Usually I'll use the e-brake on a steep hill and then start to go and release the e-brake so I don't roll backwards.

[Snoopyalien24]

Quick question, how do you MT guys prefer pull off 1st? Clutch out then gas? Or rev a bit then clutch release?

Little trick I learned was letting the clutch go really slow, which moves the car like as in an Automatic when you release the brakes. That's if I need to inch foward.

I usually rev a bit then pull off. (I think) I don't remember lol

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Quick question, how do you MT guys pull off 1st? Clutch out then gas? Or rev a bit then clutch release?

Little trick I learned was letting the clutch go really slow, which moves the car like as in an Automatic when you release the brakes.

It isn't one then the other, it's more like a balancing act. After driving manual for long enough it just becomes second nature and you can feel when the clutch begins to catch and that's when you balance it with the gas before the revs drop.

[dalli]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Quick question, how do you MT guys prefer pull off 1st? Clutch out then gas? Or rev a bit then clutch release?

Little trick I learned was letting the clutch go really slow, which moves the car like as in an Automatic when you release the brakes. That's if I need to inch foward.

I usually rev a bit then pull off. (I think) I don't remember lol

My cousins told me to give a little gas and let off the clutch slowly.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Quick question, how do you MT guys prefer pull off 1st? Clutch out then gas? Or rev a bit then clutch release?

Technically, clutch out first. Once I feel the clutch starting to engage I start feeding in throttle while continuing to release the clutch so that the rpms stay reasonably steady. Basically, it's the same as getting the car rolling with just the clutch, except using a bit of throttle to speed the process up.

Ideally, you want as little clutch slip and as low revs as you can get away with (depending on the situation, that might mean very high revs ), just not to the point that you lug the motor, as that's bad for the bearings/crank.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

It isn't one then the other, it's more like a balancing act. After driving manual for long enough it just becomes second nature and you can feel when the clutch begins to catch and that's when you balance it with the gas before the revs drop.

True I guess I can't say which one of the two, rather, do you put a little gas then let go of the clutch or let the clutch go, while in motion give it gas. My friend's dad, who is a truck driver, and my dad, who is also a truck driver (but locally) say when inclined, or stuck in traffic, they do that.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Guff

I think the best way learn MT is to get a car with at least 500HP and a ridiculously tough Stage 3 Carbon Full-Body-Workout Clutch. Once they learn how to not stall that off the line, then you won't stall anything!

I had to do something like that once it was so hard but your right since then I haven't stalled an mt car or is afraid of hill incline. Wish I could downshift and heel toe well like before but with this injury I'll have to work with the pain and relearn everything. They took away my mt forester and now I got an auto one it's relaxing to drive but I do miss mt .

[Caliban]

come learn how to drive MT in SF. Practice driving in elevation changes in the city will make you a PRO hahaha

[serialk11r]

Hmmm this summer in my uncle let me drive his tiny little Peugeot with MT and if you didn't give it gas when the clutch engaged just a little the car would start shaking and stall -_- So if you can get the car to start rolling with no gas, damn.

I need to actually learn MT someday. I'm a control freak, and automatics drive me crazy when they shift by themselves.