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Old 03-10-2013, 05:36 PM   #1
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KDT 925 installed.

We have done many upgrades to our BRZ project car and this was one that I really looked forward to. A know on the Impreza chassis this upgrade makes a very noticeable difference. A few weeks ago we test a larger than stock driveshaft and with the car in the air we noticed a LARGE amount of rear differential movement. (by large amount I mean roughly 3/4 inch of upward movement from the front bushings and 1/2inch of rear downward movement in the stock rubber bushings).

Once on the ground and laying under the car as the clutch is engaged this is the same. So a fast shift at speed must be have a lot of movement as well.

The install took less than an hour. Instructions were simple and easy.

An initial test drive showed huge improvements when adjusting rpms mid corner( checking up). Now if you accelerate from a steady rpm you (seemingly) feel the car move forward without as much drive train flex/loss etc. Notice I said seemingly as there is no data to support this "feeling".

There is some additional NVH felt and heard now. When turning out of say a parking place at 1-3mph you do hear the differential transferring noise through the drivetrain and into the car. This was there before BUT the soft factory bushings insulate this sound. Its not loud at all, but if you listen for it with the radio off you can hear it.

At 3000 rpms there is a drivetrain rumble feeling that I can feel, but not at 2900 and not at 3100.

DISCLOSURE: I have a Cusco 4.55 final drive so this COULD be a result of THAT. None the less this isnt a big deal. On the "big deal scale" its a 2 with 10 being take it out NOW.

We also have the Whiteline trans insert installed and now with the 925 installed it "feels" like you can feel more transmission noise/grunt when shifting.

Alo keep in mind we have the subframe insert bushings installed also. So any thing that COULD keep these sounds from being heard and felt has been removed all in an effort to gain more feeling and handling potential.

DO NOT BE SCARED as what I am describing all falls under the " I want my car to handle better and are willing to incur some extra NVH to do so" category. With that said....this single mod combined with some of the other key mods gives what is other wise a very insulated car,...a very RAW feeling which.....promotes driving confidence and feeling.

Banging through the gears proves FAR more DIRECT and does seem to direct more energy to the wheels.

On some late night after the wife goes to sleep back roads I found this modification to REALLY come into its own. The transition from trail braking to power on feels like you cut out a full BLINK( or in the cinematography world, 5 frames) as now it feels very confidence inspiring to come in hot , on the brakes HARD, and as you go from brake back to gas the rear end feels more connected and or as though you are enabling the differential to perform better. I think THAT is where this part shines. SImply put there is less movement in those critical moments where you need the parts under the car and around the diff to be "ON" and ready to transition.

Whiteline offers a COMPLETE bushing replacement option coming soon and that I would imagine has MORE NVH than this so thats for sure for VERY committed track day guys/girls.

My rating on this mod is a 9.5 out of 10. I love it.

Our first track event is in a few weeks so I will give an update then.

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What parts are install on this car?

Cause I can see two yellow whiteline parts :S
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What parts are install on this car?

Cause I can see two yellow whiteline parts :S
Those are both part of KDT925. The ones on the side of the diff body are sometimes called "outrigger" bushings.
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Nice! Thanks Myles.

oh yeah, when will these be available for general consumption?

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Cool. I should have these coming in the next week or two so it's nice to see they do a good job. Well worth $50!
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I'll note that when I did the whiteline trans bushing upgrade I noticed a slight increase in NVH but within a month it became normal. I also felt like that upgrade made the car feel a bit more raw, and I would imagine this would further that feeling.
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Is it similar to the amount of NVH as a 2011ish wrx with the same mods?

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Thanks Myles! Loved the writeup, and always appreciate your opinions. I really like how those rear diff bushings look like knobs, almost like a Dial-A-Diff LOL.

Thanks again Myles, can't wait for the track test.
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can I ask why you changed the drive shaft?
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I'll note that when I did the whiteline trans bushing upgrade I noticed a slight increase in NVH but within a month it became normal. I also felt like that upgrade made the car feel a bit more raw, and I would imagine this would further that feeling.
I think this is key here too. I think this will break in after a while. We installed these Thursday, I came home did all the husband shit, they after the wife drank a nice barrel aged porter and fell asleep, I drifted out of the garage and did some back roads. Friday AM I was on a plane traveling. I cant wait to put some real miles on these and see if it breaks in more.

Will for sure report back.

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Thanks Myles! Loved the writeup, and always appreciate your opinions. I really like how those rear diff bushings look like knobs, almost like a Dial-A-Diff LOL.

Thanks again Myles, can't wait for the track test.
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Thanks Rick, I try to give the drivers view on some parts. I realize some only want to see "data" but MANY things on these cars is about "feel" and how that "feeling" effects your driving and or confidence.

I will be calling you guys to get the CF driveshaft very soon. I like it because its the same size as stock and doesn't hit the tunnel or require any modifications.


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can I ask why you changed the drive shaft?
we tested one that was larger than stock and WITHOUT these diff bushings the amount of movement caused it to touch the tunnel in 2 places. So we removed it right away.

Instead I want the PST driveshaft as its the same size as stock.

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Watch that video above and go to 1:17 and see how SMOOOTH they let the clutch out but then watch the shifts. See how much movement there is on the front diff bushings? Thats on the dyno. In real life there is ALOT of movement. I will try to set up my go pro to get some footage on a stock car and show a comparison soon.

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Does the car in the video have the whiteline bushings? It looks like it to me.
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Does the car in the video have the whiteline bushings? It looks like it to me.
NO and its also on a dyno which seems to be moving also and the clutch is let our VERYYYY smooooth.

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Thanks Rick, I try to give the drivers view on some parts. I realize some only want to see "data" but MANY things on these cars is about "feel" and how that "feeling" effects your driving and or confidence.

I will be calling you guys to get the CF driveshaft very soon. I like it because its the same size as stock and doesn't hit the tunnel or require any modifications.

The Albino Rhino BRZ gets a new PST Carbon Fiber Driveshaft - YouTube

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Thanks Myles, and yes I agree, some of these parts make it hard to show any real data, and really just comes down to how you want the car to feel or be setup.

We did take a video of the stock diff bushings, not the best angle, but it gives you an idea of how much flex there is with the stock bushings. This was on cold but dry pavement.


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Does the cusco diff bush kit also come with the outrigger bushes you can see in Myle's pic? I get an insane amount of movement all around back here since adding sticky tires
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Thanks Myles, and yes I agree, some of these parts make it hard to show any real data, and really just comes down to how you want the car to feel or be setup.

We did take a video of the stock diff bushings, not the best angle, but it gives you an idea of how much flex there is with the stock bushings. This was on cold but dry pavement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10rsp...SSwg5A&index=1

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VERY NICE ! And I agree. BTW my post and using your video was meant at showing the movement. But this new one is better. And I agree some will want this and some wont. I think once a person sees the amount of movement they might want the modification.

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what about engine and transmission moutns (or inserts?) is the car in question still running stock pieces?

i want a caged-style engine mount but no one seems(?) to be making one yet?
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Everytime Rick and Myles put a review of a part, that part usually becomes top on my list.... my wallet doesn't like like you guys lol
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Anyone have these available yet? I can't seem to find anyone with them listed online.
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Anyone have these available yet? I can't seem to find anyone with them listed online.
I have a single set in stock. Let me know asap.

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