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Old 12-29-2011, 08:58 AM   #1
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Question ...vs Acura RSX Type-S






Didn't see a thread on this comparisson but I think they're pretty comparable.

Pros: Good aftermarket support, great high-revving engine, nice interior and steering wheel, "luxury", hatch room

Cons: Popular car for theft, lots of reports of the 6-speed manual grinding in certain gears

Anything you guys can add?

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Old 12-29-2011, 09:44 AM   #2
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FRS/BRZ > DC5.

I never liked the RSX-S, it was too isolated, light and boring compared to the older hondas.
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AS1 will have more torque down low, at least we are hoping.

RSX-S has variable valve lift and VTC. We will likely only have one of those, so the K20A may have higher power potential.

That said, FWD vs. RWD. They are completely different cars.

We are lighter, have basically a refined S2000 transmission, factory LSD (later RSX-S have this), lower COG, etc.
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The FR-S/BRZ and the RSX Type S will never be cross-shopped by the typical enthusiast due to one very critical difference, RWD vs FWD. The only shopper to look at the two cars is the average Joe wanting a cheap sports coupe (or should I say, sporty coupe), and that person will likely end up getting a Scion tC or Civic Si.

This is not to knock on the RSX at all, as it is a very competent car in its own rights. However, the whole appeal of the FR-S/BRZ is the RWD and drift/fun/holligan factor. The enthusiast wanting this type of fun will probably ignore the RSX when shopping.
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the FR-S is what the RSX should have been instead of killing it off...
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FRS/BRZ > DC5.

I never liked the RSX-S, it was too isolated, light and boring compared to the older hondas.
What do you mean by isolated? The car has a lot of feel IMO. My car is borderline to harsh because I feel every thing on the road.

What do you mean by light? The only thing I find boring about my car is the engine,tranny and no RWD balance.
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What do you mean by isolated? The car has a lot of feel IMO. My car is borderline to harsh because I feel every thing on the road.

What do you mean by light? The only thing I find boring about my car is the engine,tranny and no RWD balance.
Drive it back to back with a maintained DC2 (ie not one with ripped bushings, etc lol) and it's obvious. The DC2 has heavier steering, less isolated and is more fun to drive. A buddy who used to own a RSX-S used to switch cars with me all the time so he could drive a DC2 again. I'd leave his RSX sitting in the driveway most of the time and take one of my other cars. If you came to the RSX-S from say, a B15 SE-R I'd completely agree, but there were simply better hondas in the past... so if you come from one of those the RSX-S was a HUGE letdown.
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Drive it back to back with a maintained DC2 (ie not one with ripped bushings, etc lol) and it's obvious. The DC2 has heavier steering, less isolated and is more fun to drive. A buddy who used to own a RSX-S used to switch cars with me all the time so he could drive a DC2 again. I'd leave his RSX sitting in the driveway most of the time and take one of my other cars. If you came to the RSX-S from say, a B15 SE-R I'd completely agree, but there were simply better hondas in the past... so if you come from one of those the RSX-S was a HUGE letdown.
I used to want a DC2 but I found the interior a let down compared to the DC5 even though I never drove one before. The FR-S got its interior inspiration from the DC5 IMO.
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I used to want a DC2 but I found the interior a let down compared to the DC5 even though I never drove one before. The FR-S got its interior inspiration from the DC5 IMO.
Why on earth would Toyota look @ Honda for inspiration ?
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I used to want a DC2 but I found the interior a let down compared to the DC5 even though I never drove one before. The FR-S got its interior inspiration from the DC5 IMO.
The interior of the DC2 isn't the best. I prefer the materials in it to the DC5 (especially with that stupid rubber crap they used) but the ergo, controls, etc are far superior in the DC5. The soft padded dash parts in the DC2 are much better than the DC5 in feel though.

Interior doesn't play much of a role for me though unless it gets in the way of driving the car (like a lot of older german cars with those same size tiny ass buttons :P )
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Why on earth would Toyota look @ Honda for inspiration ?
A better question is "Since the late 90s until very recently why would anyone look @ Toyota for inspiration?" lol

Honda has made some good products, and some shit ones, same as anyone else.
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A better question is "Since the late 90s until very recently why would anyone look @ Toyota for inspiration?" lol

Honda has made some good products, and some shit ones, same as anyone else.
That is true
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The interior of the DC2 isn't the best. I prefer the materials in it to the DC5 (especially with that stupid rubber crap they used) but the ergo, controls, etc are far superior in the DC5. The soft padded dash parts in the DC2 are much better than the DC5 in feel though.

Interior doesn't play much of a role for me though unless it gets in the way of driving the car (like a lot of older german cars with those same size tiny ass buttons :P )
Agreed. The plastics is shit in my car but the design is so driver focused.
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RSX is awsome car. specially the KA Series engine. high rev, good horse power.

handling is good too. but it's still FWD...(handles better than neon or cobalt...etc)

oh thing i hated the most about RSX. it doesn't come with ARM REST...

comparing the RSX to FR-S...

IMO FR-S will be faster and more fun to drive. Subi Engine with RWD.

i can't wait to drive FR-S
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RSX is awsome car. specially the KA Series engine. high rev, good horse power.

handling is good too. but it's still FWD...(handles better than neon or cobalt...etc)

oh thing i hated the most about RSX. it doesn't come with ARM REST...

comparing the RSX to FR-S...

IMO FR-S will be faster and more fun to drive. Subi Engine with RWD.

i can't wait to drive FR-S

too bad it couldn't come close to the Cobalt around the ring
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too bad it couldn't come close to the Cobalt around the ring
The Cobalt SS turbo :P

IMO the CSS will outhandle a RSX any day of the week.
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The Cobalt SS turbo :P

IMO the CSS will outhandle a RSX any day of the week.
no one ever said it was trim level vs trim level
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AS1 will have more torque down low, at least we are hoping.

RSX-S has variable valve lift and VTC. We will likely only have one of those, so the K20A may have higher power potential.

That said, FWD vs. RWD. They are completely different cars.

We are lighter, have basically a refined S2000 transmission, factory LSD (later RSX-S have this), lower COG, etc.
I thought only the JDM DC5 Type-R had a LSD.
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I thought only the JDM DC5 Type-R had a LSD.
That is true, as far as I know.
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I'd say the Type S and the FT86 are pretty comparable. Similar HP motor and similar weight. The FT86 being slightly lighter. The 0-60mph calculator http://www.060calculator.com/ says the FT86 would be faster in a straight line.

But then it also comes down to FWD vs RWD. I also never imagined the RSX, type S or not, to be that spectacular in the handling attributes nor have a amazingly low CG like the FT86.

I think the RSX Type S is a pretty solid entry level sports car, but when you add everything up FT86 > RSX Type S in every way.
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Fun factor:
RX8 > GSR > RSX-S

My expectation is:
FT86 = mini RX8
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