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Old 02-01-2013, 12:13 AM   #1
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Drop-in Filter

Which one to choose? There's so many to choose from... aFe, Apexi, Blitz, K&N, Perrin, Work... Does anyone have dyno results?
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Old 02-01-2013, 12:21 AM   #2
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Honestly, the gains are so little you wouldnt need to worry about it. With that being said, I always buy K&N filters for all cars i ever own because of the reputation they have, the million mile warranty and reusable and ease to get filter cleaners which you can buy at almost any auto retail stores, but thats just me.
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Different names but they all work the same imo...some just have more hype.
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Which ones are dry and of those, which ones are paper vs foam or any other material?
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9-10 hp gains on the WORKS DIF

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If you don't want to worry about filter oil go for the Cosworth, if you don't mind cleaning/oiling go with the Perrin or Works.
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9-10 hp gains on the WORKS DIF

Its 1o HP at the flywheel not to the wheel s
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Its 1o HP at the flywheel not to the wheel s
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Its 1o HP at the flywheel not to the wheel s
I'd rather have 10hp at the anything than nothing.
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There was a test floating around on SupraForums where they tested the actual filtration as well as power. HKS and Blitz were the 2 worst, filtering almost nothing. (White filter sheets after the filter were black). Apex'i and K&N were the cleanest.

Things may have changed, but I won't be using their filters anytime soon :\


Wouldn't mind seeing a revised 86-specific test along the same measures. Sure some vendor wants to win the gold medal and do it
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I've seen picture of foam filters (not sure if it was a HKS)..but they started to get torned to peices after while, they aren't made to last forever. I would get anything but foam, foam's good for lawn equipment :P.

reference : http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=751797
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K&N. I have 1 with no issues and yes I've checked for oil on my sensor. Drop ins are the way to go if you want to let your engine breathe and don't want a whole new intake system (the stock setup is pretty good). Just my opinion...
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Biggest issues on K&N's were newbies over-oiling them, then wondering why their filter is dripping into their MAF.
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Which one to choose? There's so many to choose from... aFe, Apexi, Blitz, K&N, Perrin, Work... Does anyone have dyno results?
Here is a little read for you....
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13245

Tons of options in stock for you, as well

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Don't forget HKS.
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K&N. I have 1 with no issues and yes I've checked for oil on my sensor. Drop ins are the way to go if you want to let your engine breathe and don't want a whole new intake system (the stock setup is pretty good). Just my opinion...
I just installed a K&N (I've liked their products over the years)... and here's some "first impressions."

A subtle improvement on the low-end... engine seems to be running a bit smoother -- noticed this "at idle" and when working through 1st to 2nd gear.

My comparison point is what I've been keeping track of over the last 3 weeks since I took delivery. A somewhat "stumbling idle" and what I would characterize as some carry-over of that as revs build were on my list of things to address with dealer at 1st service. After this morning's commute... maybe not. Maybe there is some "placebo effect" coming into play (i.e, maybe I WANT it to be better) but I'm hoping that I'm being pretty objective.

Taking a slow approach to modding.. considering a silicone intake tube next... and then a Nameless Offset Axleback exhaust.

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Biggest issues on K&N's were newbies over-oiling them, then wondering why their filter is dripping into their MAF.
Nope! My brand new k&n filter ended my track day in less than one half a day. Had to replace my sensor. It all depends on the proximity of the sensor to where the filter is and how hot the filter get when tracking the car. Even the mechanic told me, afterwards, k&n and the type of car I was tracking don't mix well!

These cars are now a days so well tuned that the engine couldn't really use any more air than it gets from OEM filter.

Unless you are competing, there is no real need...
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It may not necessarily need the extra air before a tune but if you want a stage 2 tune intake upgrade is recommended. The engine can definitely take advantage of more air flow if the F/A ratio is tweaked. Yes at stock you probably won't gain a lot but really how much do you expect for a $40-$50 upgrade and unless you get an intake with a sensor tricker like AEM a tune is necessary to take maximum advantage of the difference. IMO it's worth it also i wouldn't take a brand new oiled filter to the track without breaking it in and it is always a good idea to blot an oiled filter out of the bag because it can start a bit juicy.
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@Jacob G. I want to thank you for the useful suggestion of blotting a new oiled filter just out of the bag. I have always had to oil my own before. When I get a DIF, I will heed your advice. [I would have pressed the THANKS button but I don't get one until I have 10 posts???????]


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It may not necessarily need the extra air before a tune but if you want a stage 2 tune intake upgrade is recommended. The engine can definitely take advantage of more air flow if the F/A ratio is tweaked. Yes at stock you probably won't gain a lot but really how much do you expect for a $40-$50 upgrade and unless you get an intake with a sensor tricker like AEM a tune is necessary to take maximum advantage of the difference. IMO it's worth it also i wouldn't take a brand new oiled filter to the track without breaking it in and it is always a good idea to blot an oiled filter out of the bag because it can start a bit juicy.
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Or not use an oiled filter ... And why would you, when you have so many other options? Why risk doing the damage when you don't have to...?

For a stock car, do you seriously think when Toyota could benefit from the marketing aspects of advertising more Hp for the car, with a $20 part (mfr cost, or maybe less), that they would try to save the extra $5 and forego the Hp gain, when they can obviously could use it for marketing purposes. Especially if its as easy as implied!

Now if you are turbo'ing or SC'ing and you need more air, then That's a different story.

True, for $50, I don't expect anything, but then if I don't expect anything why would I do it??
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One of the guys at the evasive dyno meet today, only mod is a drop in apexi air filter and Perrin engine pulley.. He dyno at 171.. I put 175 with a injen intake, greddy evo 3 exhaust and Perrin engine pulley.. We was all just as shocked
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