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Old 11-24-2012, 06:24 PM   #35
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I'd be more thrilled if they were bringing back the classic hatchback body we all know and love on the 86.
That body looked like shit IMO and as a matter of fact the AE86 didn't look like a sports car one bit other than the low slung front end. The rest of the car looked like a carved box which IMO is unfitting of a sports car. They could've still made the car a hatch with the current low-slung sports car styling. My RSX is a hatch without the weird looking back end.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:44 PM   #36
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That body looked like shit IMO and as a matter of fact the AE86 didn't look like a sports car one bit other than the low slung front end. The rest of the car looked like a carved box which IMO is unfitting of a sports car. They could've still made the car a hatch with the current low-slung sports car styling. My RSX is a hatch without the weird looking back end.
i agree with you on that body. the ae86 wasnt a sports car. i think its important to remember on this forum. there is so much talk about the purity of the frs and its ae heritage yet in the same breath can talk down on other amazing cars because they were based on economy cars.

i usually dont like taking fixed roof coupes and making them convertibles. up until my first miata i thought verts were stupid all around. both my miatas have had hard tops but i cant express much fun driving around with the top down actually is. if you have an issue with convertibles (other than the amount of work needed to make them safe at a track) its due to image and insecurities and not the sport of driving.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:02 PM   #37
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"in order to contain weight increases" "Weight gains are understood to be small"

Here we go; new model = heavier So much for the keep it simple keep it light mantra.
And it totally smacks in the face of moonroof lovers. We were told a moonroof would ruin the c.o.g., what the hell does this do to it?
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:35 PM   #38
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Although I don't support the idea, because typically folks who buy a convertible aren't the type of folks who care much about structural rigidity and weight (a.k.a non-enthusiasts), I understand it's a necessary evil to recoup some of the R&D on the car and make it profitable. I hope it doesn't tarnish the reputation of the car much. I can tell you that most of the convertibles will probably sell with an auto tranny.
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:43 PM   #39
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Yeah, I remember that pic long ago on the forum.
If you remember these photochops, you know you have been here too damn long

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Vert is a interesting idea. I wonder what they need to do the keep the chassis stiff & how much more weight as coupe?
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:09 PM   #40
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For everyone who is saying that convertible buyers are not enthusiasts please keep in mind that that the Miata is the 1# modified and raced car in the history of automobiles.

I have a soft top but I rock a hardtop 75% of the time. I love the idea of a soft top. I would take it off add the sway/struts to keep the rigidity and then get a sexy hard top for it. Most people who hate on convertibles have never driven a Miata. It is not a Mercedes or Lexus which gets sloppy as hell. It is a race car with the sky above your head.
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That's cause it was a Mazda
Yup... Although I was very happy owning the MX-5 because it was a pure sports car developed as a convertible from ground up.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:33 PM   #42
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Targa top anyone!?
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:45 PM   #43
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This thought always makes me sad.
But people love soft tops... So might as well give them what they want.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:47 PM   #44
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whatever they make, ill buy one.

i like to have a complete set of toys

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Old 11-24-2012, 11:04 PM   #45
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Although I don't support the idea, because typically folks who buy a convertible aren't the type of folks who care much about structural rigidity and weight (a.k.a non-enthusiasts),
Agreed, but it's still an option. Why couldn't a moonroof be an option? I'm not asking for a standard equipment moonroof. And it would still be significantly less ruined than a full convertible.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:32 PM   #46
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I understand the pic in this thread is just a 'shop', but wow those lines do not work in my opinion.

The rear flares and metal would need to be re-worked for this car's shape to work as a cabrio.

I second what a lot of other folks said. . I'd love to see an option for a hatchback.

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do you think it may just be an aero top rather than a full on cabrio?
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:07 AM   #48
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For everyone who is saying that convertible buyers are not enthusiasts please keep in mind that that the Miata is the 1# modified and raced car in the history of automobiles.

I have a soft top but I rock a hardtop 75% of the time. I love the idea of a soft top. I would take it off add the sway/struts to keep the rigidity and then get a sexy hard top for it. Most people who hate on convertibles have never driven a Miata. It is not a Mercedes or Lexus which gets sloppy as hell. It is a race car with the sky above your head.
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Yup... Although I was very happy owning the MX-5 because it was a pure sports car developed as a convertible from ground up.
Tex got it, the miata is a ground up convertible sports car - and an amazing one at that. Having the option would've been nice but I'm content that Mazda (and the s2000 as well!) decided not to bring over a coupe version of the it, the convertible is simply great as it is. With maybe the exception of some exotics (458 comes to mind) it's very rare, in fact, I can't think of a single one... that a chopped top coupe turns out to be a great sporty convertible meeting or exceeding the coupe version.

An also interesting look would be convertibles that turned into coupes and how they fared. Some that come to mind; BMW Z3/Z4, Pontiac Solstice, Shelby Cobra.. I say it's a mixed bag: some were better for it and some weren't.

Anyways, back to subject - A targa top may actually make some sense, does anyone know how it effects structural rigidity as compared to the standard coupe or a convertible? I know Porsche uses the targa method a lot in their history and I believe it was to retain some of the chassis balance/feel. Pop's Grand Sport Corvette has it and I think it's fantastic, a great balance for a sports car.
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The Cab is a cash cow for the company, they need to recoup some of their investment in this risky project. Also, have you literally read nothing? No turbo for FRS - it's been confirmed many times, hell even in this article
Cash cow is when they sell a bunch of cars and makes money; when lots of engineering cost going into boutique model like convertible that will not sell it is called money pit.
Read carefully and you will see that I said they should build the turbo version instead of convertible
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Agreed, but it's still an option. Why couldn't a moonroof be an option? I'm not asking for a standard equipment moonroof. And it would still be significantly less ruined than a full convertible.
have you SEEN the roof of the 86?

how the **** could the be able to add a moonroof to that.

a roadster designed from the ground up (as in with reinforced chassis) is less ruined than cutting a fricking hole in the roof of a rigid coupe
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I think of cars like the Z, Cayman, the old CRX and how nice the access to the rear was with the hatchback configuration and I would have willingly sacrificed a few dollars or even a few pounds for a hatchback. I guess that's why they make vanilla and chocolate.
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