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Old 11-17-2012, 05:54 AM   #1
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Willall Racing 86

Does anyone know anymore about this? 190kw and still NA? I'm pretty sure Martin was a user on this site at one stage?

http://www.willallracing.com.au/wr86.htm
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yep, typo by their web guy.

It also used to read:
0 - 100km/h : 4.3 seconds
0 - 400m : 12.11 seconds

...but that part got fixed

Martin posted on another forum that the car makes >20% more power and is slightly lighter than a factory car
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20% extra would be just over 176kw.. Still not bad. I'd be happy with that.
40kw gain is not going to happen with tune and exhaust. Ever.
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any indications on price?
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Judging by the lack of pricing on the website, no.
Ti exhaust won't be cheap....
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Who knows this might be a 9000rpm engine on e85?
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Given that it has no upgraded engine components in the breakdown list, I doubt it would contain any. it lists tune, exhaust, intake mods. And two different engine oils...
Not stuff to go 9000rpm :P It would need bigger cams to make 9000rpm worthwhile!
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Id guarantee the 190kw is capable from Intake, exhaust and E85 tune
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Id guarantee the 190kw is capable from Intake, exhaust and E85 tune
You reckon?? I know it will gain power from E85, but that seems really high man.
The intake will do shit, it will all be in the tune/fuel/exhaust. And only if they use good headers. Catback and tune, no hope.
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Willall Racing has an excellent reputation with Nissans and specially GTR's. I don't doubt that these guys have dyno tested their Titanium Header back exhaust and intake's with ECU tune and E85. To gain 40kw flywheel from E85 tune, full exhaust and intake I think its possible.
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Willall Racing has an excellent reputation with Nissans and specially GTR's. I don't doubt that these guys have dyno tested their Titanium Header back exhaust and intake's with ECU tune and E85. To gain 40kw flywheel from E85 tune, full exhaust and intake I think its possible.
I am not doubting their credibility at all, nor did I say they are being deliberately misleading. As said way up in the thread there WERE typos on their part....
A natro 2l will NEVER get the kind of gains from an exhaust an tune as a 3.8l twin turbo v6... So their GTR prowess doesn't mean this will be awesome.
A "headerback" system is from the end of the headers back, not a including new set of headers. You CAN NOT make that much power natro with the stock headers and just a headerback and tune. There are guys in the US with those mods, go see how many of them are now making 250hp.....
I would find it hard to believe even with headers. Headers an E85 *maybe*, but still doubtful until there is firm proof.
Firm proof I mean independent test results.
EDIT - The only Exhaust upgrade part list on their website is a rear muffler...... Not even a header back, and certainly no headers
40kw from a muffler and tune?? BS
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When i say Header back system I mean including the Headers
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I am not doubting their credibility at all, nor did I say they are being deliberately misleading. As said way up in the thread there WERE typos on their part....
A natro 2l will NEVER get the kind of gains from an exhaust an tune as a 3.8l twin turbo v6... So their GTR prowess doesn't mean this will be awesome.
A "headerback" system is from the end of the headers back, not a including new set of headers. You CAN NOT make that much power natro with the stock headers and just a headerback and tune. There are guys in the US with those mods, go see how many of them are now making 250hp.....
I would find it hard to believe even with headers. Headers an E85 *maybe*, but still doubtful until there is firm proof.
Firm proof I mean independent test results.
EDIT - The only Exhaust upgrade part list on their website is a rear muffler...... Not even a header back, and certainly no headers
40kw from a muffler and tune?? BS
From Willall Racing's Webpage...........

WR86 PACKAGE BREAKDOWN COMPONENTS

Engine Upgrades:

WR86EX Series Titanium Exhaust Assembly

WR86TU Engine Management recalibration

WR35M2O 0w-40 Engine Oil

WR86AB - Airbox modifications

WR35MO 10w-60 Engine Oil

WR35BR Engine Oil Control System

PRICING (Fitted): TBA $AUD
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The fact that they are running E85 is probably the main reason you are seeing a greater increase in power then you normally would with a full exhaust, CAI and tune.

E85 burns a lot quicker and better then normal 98. Also gives a decent power increase.

FA20 is very restricted from factory due to emission and regulations. So the simple mods may produce more people then people think.
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Sorry for my stupidity, but why 2 different oils? And how?
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I saw that you quoted me and thought maybe some new info, but no, nothing new... As I said earlier mate I saw the info on the website. It says "exhaust assembly" Nothing about headers, so where did you get that info fgrom?? sure as hell not what you jsut psoted... Now, if you can keep up, click the bit that says "performance parts" and then go to
Toyoa 86/Subaru BRZ".... The ONLY thing there is a MUFFLER ONLY.....
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From Willall Racing's Webpage...........

WR86 PACKAGE BREAKDOWN COMPONENTS

Engine Upgrades:

WR86EX Series Titanium Exhaust Assembly

WR86TU Engine Management recalibration

WR35M2O 0w-40 Engine Oil

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Oh I realise that E86 give significant gains over unleaded, but not 43kw with only a muffler and tune. That equates to 251 fly wheel hp. With just a tune?? As said, get some proof and then there might be some merit to it.
And nowere does it say there is a full exhaust. the only exhaust component they have for the 86 is a muffler only
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The fact that they are running E85 is probably the main reason you are seeing a greater increase in power then you normally would with a full exhaust, CAI and tune.

E85 burns a lot quicker and better then normal 98. Also gives a decent power increase.

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Oh I realise that E86 give significant gains over unleaded, but not 43kw with only a muffler and tune. That equates to 251 fly wheel hp. With just a tune?? As said, get some proof and then there might be some merit to it.
And nowere does it say there is a full exhaust. the only exhaust component they have for the 86 is a muffler only
Have you personally had a car tuned with E85?? I dont think so from the way you are talking...I have and the difference with it was 50kw @ the wheels so excuse me if I am struggling to understand why you are saying it cant be done.

I am assuming their exhaust is a header back system just cause these guys usually don't do halves that was my point but seeing as I personally haven't looked at the car its all heresay until a dyno sheet is provided.

Just because the yanks can't make a certain power level doesn't mean we can't, we have the best tuners in the world in our country.
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quite funny all the debating a simple typo on a webpage causes. If it really had a 30% power increase, I'm sure Martin would have posted that instead of posting 20%...

How many n/a race engines make more than 125hp per liter when you're talking about stuff in the 2L category?
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Ok, so what kind of car was it that you had tuned on E85?? A naturally aspirated 2l with nothing more than a muffler changed? Why would you assume it is header back when the only component listed is a muffler?
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Have you personally had a car tuned with E85?? I dont think so from the way you are talking...I have and the difference with it was 50kw @ the wheels so excuse me if I am struggling to understand why you are saying it cant be done.

I am assuming their exhaust is a header back system just cause these guys usually don't do halves that was my point but seeing as I personally haven't looked at the car its all heresay until a dyno sheet is provided.

Just because the yanks can't make a certain power level doesn't mean we can't, we have the best tuners in the world in our country.
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The difference I see here is that it is not a race car It is a standard engine with a muffler and tune.
When there are dyno results to prove it, no worries, but until then, with NO MODIFICATIONS except a muffler and tune, it seems a little hard to fathom
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quite funny all the debating a simple typo on a webpage causes. If it really had a 30% power increase, I'm sure Martin would have posted that instead of posting 20%...

How many n/a race engines make more than 125hp per liter when you're talking about stuff in the 2L category?
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