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Old 09-25-2011, 07:05 PM   #155
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new headlights kill it for me but when u include the hood vents the car needs to be redesigned I didnt love the 1st gen coupe but its mucher prettier a car

shouldnt the halo car be setting the styling trend for the rest of the line up?
Are you insinuating the GC is Hyundai's halo car? The GC isn't a high end car like the GenSedan is marketed to be. The GS shares styling ques with Hyundai's new halo car, the Equus. I'm glad the GC looks nothing like it's luxury sedan counter parts, that would be boring.
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Are you insinuating the GC is Hyundai's halo car? The GC isn't a high end car like the GenSedan is marketed to be. The GS shares styling ques with Hyundai's new halo car, the Equus. I'm glad the GC looks nothing like it's luxury sedan counter parts, that would be boring.

I meant it as in their sports car/tuner car halo the car that brought Hyundai to the tuner world really
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Old 09-26-2011, 08:21 AM   #157
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I meant it as in their sports car/tuner car halo the car that brought Hyundai to the tuner world really
Forget about the Tiburon?
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No I did not

The Tibby was never accepted as a tuner platform by the industry like the GC is
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:15 PM   #159
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No I did not

The Tibby was never accepted as a tuner platform by the industry like the GC is
I thought I recall seeing at least a few Tiburons in magazines later in their life. Not really sure how many Genesis Coupes have been featured, since I don't read magazines anymore, but a couple of the guys at gencoupe.com have been. I wouldn't say the aftermarket is exactly bustling for that machine though either, which is what's holding me back on getting one.

Also, heyyyyy: Supercharged Hyundai Genesis Coupe in the Works
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Pretty cool, too bad it isn't twin-turbocharged. S/C's bore me.
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I wouldnt mind test driving one of those... That might be a cool car if its tuner friendly.
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Pretty cool, too bad it isn't twin-turbocharged. S/C's bore me.
Any FI is better than no FI... well, most of the time. I'm already betting if they go with this it's going to be costly. Twin turbo would probably just add on top of that even more cost to the car. I'm just happy seeing anything being done since the 3.8 aftermarket is so small. Figure this gets the bump that the sedan has to 333hp, and add 20% hp increase for the blower, and a 400hp V6 with a 10yr/100mi warranty sounds pretty damn good.
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You know I never cared that the N/A V6 isn't tuner friendly. The car already has a terrific power/weight ratio stock. I like my ratio between 10-12 lbs per horsepower and the 3.8 Track is 11.2/1hp.
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FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

What are your opinions? I think we finally have enough information to really start comparing this car to some vehicles that are currently on the road. I was seriously considering a Genesis Coupe before I started looking into the FR-S/BRZ. And to me it feels as if the FR-S/BRZ is the missing link between a Miata and Genesis Coupe. (Although the Miata is not the topic of this discussion) - Any thoughts on comparing these cars to the Genesis Coupe?
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:23 AM   #165
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Personally, the GC is too big, too heavy, and too haphazardly styled for my preference [that window-line is simply awkward]. The low-rent interior isn't helping matters either. If a car is going to be heavy, at least have a decent interior to excuse the bulk.
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:23 AM   #166
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Well I thought the GC2.0T R Spec I drove was quite possibly the most disappointing car I've ever driven.... I had really high hopes for it which is probably partially why I was so disappointed.

There is 0 chance that I would EVER consider a GC 2.0T, and the 3.8 is out of the FR-S/BRZ price range..
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:47 AM   #167
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Dave why do you feel that way? I would love to hear your in depth opinion on it since I have driven the car myself 2.0t/3.8. I liked it a lot when I drove the car, very responsive steering with good weight, tight feeling chassis, handling was good enough for street but not excellent and super sharp, brembo brakes was outstanding, power was great(3.8), and the auto wasn't as bad as most but the manual is another story.
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The GC might be better bang for your buck, but I trust Toyota's quality over Hyundai's. That's the main reason I won't buy a Hyundai; I want to keep this car for 10+ years.
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When I first saw the GC i thought it looked nice. You go Hyundai! My cousin was really thinking of buying it so we went for a test drive. Both took it for a spin and didn't like it as we thought it would. Who knows if the next generation will be better but for now I wouldn't get it.
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Dave why do you feel that way? I would love to hear your in depth opinion on it since I have driven the car myself 2.0t/3.8. I liked it a lot when I drove the car, very responsive steering with good weight, tight feeling chassis, handling was good enough for street but not excellent and super sharp, brembo brakes was outstanding, power was great(3.8), and the auto wasn't as bad as most but the manual is another story.
Steering feel was lacking, the chassis didn't communicate with the driver as much as I would have preferred either. Brakes were fine, steering was fairly responsive just not communicative. A buddy went with me for the test drive and afterwards asked why I didn't floor it, to which I explained that I had it floored through 2nd to the top of 3rd, the car was just that slow and underpowered for it's weight (2.0T).

I was expecting basically what I'm expecting out of the FR-S. A light, nimble, communicative package. The GC failed at that.
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Steering feel was lacking, the chassis didn't communicate with the driver as much as I would have preferred either. Brakes were fine, steering was fairly responsive just not communicative. A buddy went with me for the test drive and afterwards asked why I didn't floor it, to which I explained that I had it floored through 2nd to the top of 3rd, the car was just that slow and underpowered for it's weight (2.0T).

I was expecting basically what I'm expecting out of the FR-S. A light, nimble, communicative package. The GC failed at that.
It sounded like you wanted it to be super hardcore which is fine for the track. That's why it's a tuners car. You need to make it more hardcore with upgraded suspension, wheels and tires, and other little things. Hyundai tried a balance package between street and track but it more favors street as 95% of the time will be spent there anyways.
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It sounded like you wanted it to be super hardcore which is fine for the track. That's why it's a tuners car. You need to make it more hardcore with upgraded suspension, wheels and tires, and other little things. Hyundai tried a balance package between street and track but it more favors street as 95% of the time will be spent there anyways.
It's not that easy to make a car that is isolated become a communicative car that feels like an extension of the driver.

I've driven a well modified one at an autocross to, it just felt like a much faster but still dead feeling version of the stock one. :shrug:

I wouldn't call that a request for it to be hardcore either. Even the slowest, cheapest boxster is extremely fun to drive and extremely communicative, but I'm not sure anyone would ever call it hardcore.
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I like the front of the FR-S, don't like the GC. Period. I'd rather have a ehh rear and a beautiful looking front, then a ugly front and a nice rear. I do like the GC rear tails more, right now, than the FR-S's
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Well speaking of the GC another leaked photo of its new facelift has shown up. It looks ok but I don't think it is that amazing.
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If i was going to buy GC i would buy the 3.8 with auto tranny. Why? because it's not a hardcore sportscar but a decent grand touring car. It is really heavy and just a lot bigger in dimension to be an outright sportscar but for the weight penalty it makes up in the ride quality and how quiet it is inside the cabin. let me give you a run down of each trim level i test drove:

3.8 track manual: 19" tires and stiiff suspension without much travel (butt dyno) makes this car VERY uncomfortable (i feel better in my wrx with tokico struts and prodrive springs), still heavy. decent brakes but very touchy in feel...
3.8 gran touring auto: comfy tire height and suspension result supple ride. this car is just runs smoother in automatic. keyless ignition, entry, HIDs..yada yada. very well equipped yet just as sporty as the track version without the harsh ride and touchy brakes.
2.0T manual: dont hear/feel the engine as much as I did on the V6... end of story.

small tactile things: the leather used to wrap the steering wheel feels like plastic... clutch is retarded soft with a high engaging point (maybe i`m used to my car).

but the overall chassis is really pretty nice; it's more of a bargain G37 rather than a nicer S2000.
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i like the FR-S moar!
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