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Old 10-20-2011, 10:18 AM   #1
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Subaru BRZ Prototype Review by Car and Driver. Calls it a Knockout.

The first review of the Subaru BRZ prototype is in from Car and Driver

Here's some of the more interesting bits from the article:
  • Only Subaru personnel responsible for engineering and at test track.
  • Engineering of the prototype dictated the final car's styling rather than vice versa.
  • Toyota's role was styling the car.
  • Production line begins May 2012 at Subaru's build center in Gunma Perfecture, Japan
  • Car will be welded from regular materials such as steel, except for aluminum hood
  • Subaru and Toyota will share nearly identical versions, sharing:
    • Subaru flat four FB20 2.0L 200+ hp engine, using Toyota's D4Sport dual port and direct-injection technology (7500rpm redline)
    • two Aisin 6-speed transmissions (one manual and a conventional automatic). Auto will have 3 modes - auto, manual, and 'temporary manual'
    • one basic interior
    • one set of body stampings and glass
    • ** badges, wheels, and small trim items will be different
  • Suspension is impreza-derived, with coil-over struts in front and three-link rear suspension.
  • Motor will sit 4.7" lower than Impreza's placement and 9.4" inches closer to the center of the car.
  • No sunroof.
  • Notchback trunk (not a hatchback).
  • Target curb weight during prototyping was 2800 pounds.
  • Center of gravity: 17.7 inches high (1" lower than Cayman).
  • Base sticker expected at $28,000 (estimated).


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oh boy, this is going to be a fun thread. Thanks for the article.

Here are the details

-Toyota/Scion and Subaru will have same engine. 210hp@6500rpm and 170lb.ft at 4000rpm
-"badges, wheels, and some small trim items will be different"
-"we delivered the best chassis we could, and then the styling was basically Toyota's role"
-Toyota: product planning and styling, Subaru: engineering, testing, and production
-push to start
-they estimate $28,000 and 2800-2900lbs. Count me out if those numbers are true.
-4 seats, trunk (no hatchback)
-donut spare tire
-"The BRZ feels more like a joint venture between Subaru and Lotus than a collaboration with Camrys-by-the-billions, LTD"
-7500RPM redline
-AL hood
-AL block and heads
-production starts May 2012
-0-60: 6.0sec, 1/4 mile 14.8 sec
-mpg: 19/27
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I don't see anything here at work . And from the article title all I can say is bullshit. I put more of the work on Toyota than Subie
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oh boy, this is going to be a fun thread. Thanks for the article.
I predict it will be. FWIW I think they are full of shit. We've seen this car @ Toyota's garage at the ring.
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oh boy, this is going to be a fun thread.
-they estimate $28,000 and 2800-2900lbs. Count me out if those numbers are true.
Me too
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That better be the Subie price or they will have almost no support for this car.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:51 AM   #7
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price, weight, and mpg all sound fishy to me
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Yes because we all forgot that Subaru developed the D4-S injection system and gave it to Toyota in 2007, being so awesome that they don't need it on their own cars... fucksakes...

All these continuous, chest-thumping 'WE DID EVERYTHING IMPORTANT AND TOYOTA JUST WATCHED AND PAID US!!!' press releases by Subaru, when they clearly didn't, are making me lose a lot of respect for them.
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Gotta love speculation! I'd buy it if it were either:

$28K, 0-60 5.9 (gotta be under 6 haha), 27 mpg highway

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$24K, 0-60 mid to high 7's, 32+ mpg highway

I guess I just have to wait...
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Yes because we all forgot that Subaru developed the D4-S injection system and gave it to Toyota in 2007, being so awesome that they don't need it on their own cars... fucksakes...

All these continuous, chest-thumping 'WE DID EVERYTHING IMPORTANT AND TOYOTA JUST WATCHED AND PAID US!!!' press releases by Subaru, when they clearly didn't, are making me lose a lot of respect for them.
I had no respect for them and this just reaffirms why I do not like this company. I'm with Dilly-o, price, weight, and the most fishy of all is the MPG, I expect alot better than that.

And Matt - no way I would pay $24 for high 7's, that's pathetic. And I'm not thrilled with a 14.8 in the quarter either.
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If the car cost 28,000 in the US it will cost 36,000 here in Puerto Rico! Because we have to pay import taxes wish i think its crazy, but thats how it work here so with that kind of money i could buy a 2011 WRX, not that i would buy one since i dont like the 2011 body. But i could, so yea if thats the price i would have think real hard about buying one.
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If the car cost 28,000 in the US it will cost 36,000 here in Puerto Rico! Because we have to pay import taxes wish i think its crazy, but thats how it work here so with that kind of money i could buy a 2011 WRX, not that i would buy one since i dont like the 2011 body. But i could, so yea if thats the price i would have think real hard about buying one.
You don't have income taxes tho, do you?
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Good find.

Interesting 1st drives are starting to come through albeit for the prototype!

Looking forward to more. Soon I hope!
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Notice the (Est) on every spec. Only a little over a month left to wait until we get real info but there really is zero chance in hell a 2800-2900lb 210hp $28,000 FT86 would sell.
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