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Old 07-30-2012, 10:24 PM   #1
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Drop In Filter Dyno Results - FT-86 SpeedFactory

FT-86 SpeedFactory got to spend our Sunday morning with Central Imports here in town and did some initial testing with our Red Rocket...

It was a gorgeous Sunday morning and Central Imports was kind of enough to let us fire up the new 2013 Scion FR-S on their dyno for some baseline runs and drop-in filter testing. After looking over the car with Sean and Brian of Central Imports, we started getting the FR-S strapped down and ready to be put through her paces with these drop in filter choices.

Yes it's a barn. Don't judge us this is IOWA, you eat our corn! They say to never mess with the people that make your food!












Once the car was strapped down and everything was ready to go, we got our baseline runs in. The numbers are right on par with what other shops are finding for whp/wtq. So, we decided to give some factual information on what drop-in filters actually do for cars. We have all been through the debate on whether drop-in filters for factory air boxes are ever worth it. Well, we wanted to put the numbers and facts right in your face on this issue.

We decided to try out three different filters for these tests ( More coming ). The HKS Super Hybrid, aFe Power filter, and the good ol' K&N High Flow filter.


Mad Tight JDM HKS!!!!!!




K&N BRO


aFe Dry Element


From left to right, K&N, Stock, HKS, and aFe



Hey someone was trying to put this in backwards.....n00b (me) lack of coffee.


Like I said, it was a prefect morning for dyno runs!


AND THE RESULTS ARE IN!!

STOCK


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aFe



There you have it! Gains across the board for all of these drop-in filters. Each filter making about 5 peak hp more than the factory filter and torque not changing at all really. Once we get these runs over layed onto the stock baseline run you will be able to see that the hp gains are throughout the powerband and really show in the higher rpm range. ( Should have that here tomorrow forgot it at the Dyno )

Along with the nice little HP gain, you can definitely hear the engine much more and you get a bit more throttle response. I will see if my mpg's improve, as well, which we could possibly see.

We have the K&N in our Red FR-S and the aFe Dry element in our Silver FR-S for long term studies, ok well medium term until more upgrades are done.

I'd say money well spent for such an easy improvement for your car!


Thanks for reading and look forward to more from FT-86 Speedfactory!

Little disclaimer here, I know the RPM bands don't match up, and I know heat of multiple runs cause different readings by a small margin, and I know people like to have opinions. BUT, we have nothing to gain here but providing simple information on real world results. It's not our manufactured product but an independent test showing what these items can do.

Runs were done in 4th gear with about 5 minutes in between runs for filter change. This was our first time with the car on the dyno and had a couple issues with spark pick up on the read out but will work to correct that in future testing. Please bear with us.
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I have the k&n filter and it does sound better. Did not notice any gains but 5 hp seems reasonable
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Thanks! Cant wait to see these runs over layed onto the stock baseline!
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thats awesome! thanks for doing this guys.
Have you guys tested full CAI system and not drop ins?
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thats awesome! thanks for doing this guys.
Have you guys tested full CAI system and not drop ins?
Nothing out at this time. We have them en-route and will have data the second they arrive.
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I have the k&n filter and it does sound better. Did not notice any gains but 5 hp seems reasonable
Other tuners saw zero gains without any filter. I dont think 5 is reasonable at all.
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I've had the K&N for a couple weeks now too, definitely noticed a minor improvement, especially in throttle response.
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Interesting I will be awaiting seeing the overlays. I have an afe dry filter in the car now same one you tested but also have an oiled one which is supposed to flow better than the dry one. I felt like I lost a little throttle response versus the stock filter so I'm going to swap things around again and try of the oiled filter as well.

I think one vendor tried with no filter and saw no gains but then installed a Prova filter and actually saw decent gains.

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the whole community will benefit from this independent testing, thank you!
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the whole community will benefit from this independent testing, thank you!
No problem. We plan to do much more of these tests. Real world un-biased testing.

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Any barn with a Dynojet is cool

Can you post those runs overlayed on one graph? Would be interesting to see differences throughout.

Overall, looks like the K&N performed best, with AFE about neck and neck.
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Hypothesis: there is an increase in power due to better air flow. That is, less restrictive. Does that mean the after market filters don't filter as well as the OEM part? Maybe the after market filters won't catch as fine particles as the OEM part.
Just wondering.
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In your guys' opinion, what's the best drop in air filter out on the market right now for the frs and best sounding one as well?
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5hp seems a lot compared to the other results we've seen. Did you run another baseline at the end?
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pretty neat. I'm guessing the K&N is the cheapest out of the bunch?

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5hp seems a lot compared to the other results we've seen. Did you run another baseline at the end?
I want to know this as well.
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Smile K&N Filter Review

Hello! Thanks for your awesome post up for intake filters; I have a question that comes with a short story:

Before part numbers were officially announced in the weeks before the car went public, I bought 33-2252 from autozone after the cool employees let me test fit all filters that looked remotely close; the fit is Perfect. Now of course, K&N lists it officially as 33-2300, but they provide no flow data like they usually do; the reason both fits is dimensions are practically identical (length & width the same) except the 33-2300 has a taller filter element by I think less than 2mm. Do you think there would be a difference in gain here?

What gets me the most is that the 33-2300 is listed for the 05 TC & seems like a real limited/old aplication, while the 33-2252 is found in a lot more recent Toyotas & performance motor applications like the Lotus Elise; it strikes me odd that Toyota would use an intake box/ filter design from an older car rather than a newer one; with no flow data from K&N I wouldn't be able to rest until I see a comparison between the two haha
Your dyno time is precious, you have new parts coming in to worry about, & crops to harvest! Though if possible could you please include the 33-2252 in your next batch of filter tests that will include the apexi & afe oiled; that would be another much appreciated interesting comparison!
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Other tuners saw zero gains without any filter. I dont think 5 is reasonable at all.
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5hp seems a lot compared to the other results we've seen. Did you run another baseline at the end?
We did not do an ending base line. We will be back on the Dyno again to finish off the testing of the other filters and will do another base line then for this thread. And we can do a start and stop baseline then. But really those base lines would only be applicable to the new filters tested as temp and etc will probably be different.

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pretty neat. I'm guess the K&N is the cheapest out of the bunch?
HKS is actually. Hit up our website.

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Though if possible could you please include the 33-2252 in your next batch of filter tests that will include the apexi & afe oiled; that would be another much appreciated interesting comparison!
Are others running the 33-2252? If so we could maybe add it to our next batch, otherwise it's an increase in cost in something we may not sell. I'm "guessing" that gains or lack of gains is going to be about the same with the change in filter element size really. Then again, Autozone would probably take it back...

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Other tuners saw zero gains without any filter. I dont think 5 is reasonable at all.
Like I said we have nothing to gain here, just simple, and I mean very simple pulls with results posted for the public to see. :happy0180:
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