Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 / Subaru with Aggressive Body & High Wing! + VIDEO!

[TRDLiquidSilver]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

It's also interesting that, no one have commented on ride height of the car... yesterday's ride height was pretty base, but today is pretty low... or just light angle?

during data testing we bring crates and crates filled with parts that we think will benefit the car, that ranges from springs, shocks, wheels, tires, aero, control arms, ecu, transmissions even engines. we have a full working garage at the ring where we can remove and replace any piece we want to gather as much data as possible. the cars final shakedown should be be done by summer. aside from a tuning standpoint we are also able to stress test all parts and disassemble after testing is done.

[ryun84]

Yeah, I just don't see being able to load and carry "a whole set of race wheels and tools to the track" unless it IS a hatch. So here's to hoping!

Edit 1: I still can't see the pics. Can someone else confirm if they see the PS pics of the test car lowered?

Edit 2: I wish I could get a tour of that "Ring" garage you mentioned. That would be so awesome. (Maybe even get a ride-along in a test car? )

[cyde01]

seriously i love the inside scoop that you're bringing us trdliquidsilver. thanks for posting

[xravexboix]

Originally Posted by cyde01

dude, are you serious? where did you get the info? do you work for corporate or a dealer? if this info is true you made my day.

I work at the dealership, but received this information from our dealer rep from corporate. Again, take it with a grain of salt. This is based on what they are told in meetings and we're still about a year or so away from launch...

Also, Jack Hollis (Scion VP) announced: "How about a 2+2 seating configuration… with a fold-flat cargo area large enough to transport a full set of race-spec tires… a floor jack and the necessary pit tools for a fun day at the track?". So the info fed down the ladder may simply be Jack Hollis' quote from the unveil in April (Link: http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...ack-hollis.htm ). I can't imagine a set of track tires and a jack fitting in the car if it's not a hatch. Fold flat > 60/40 split seats

[cb7]

Originally Posted by ryun84

Edit 1: I still can't see the pics. Can someone else confirm if they see the PS pics of the test car lowered?

hmm let me try reuploading it..

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

during data testing we bring crates and crates filled with parts that we think will benefit the car, that ranges from springs, shocks, wheels, tires, aero, control arms, ecu, transmissions even engines. we have a full working garage at the ring where we can remove and replace any piece we want to gather as much data as possible. the cars final shakedown should be be done by summer. aside from a tuning standpoint we are also able to stress test all parts and disassemble after testing is done.

So I guess. I highly doubt Toyota/Subaru won't attack the Nur without all range of stuff.

[C-Bone]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

He wasn't talking about that....look closely at the picture of the rear brake light, you can clearly see a back 'shelf', indicating its a notchback coupe.

Given Toyota's history guys, I wouldn't lose hope on a hatchback version though. Its possible.

Ya maybe that type of light, but he also said that:

Originally Posted by dmon

The back brake light inside of the car (first pic) indicates that this is not a hatch/liftback. No hatchback has this kind of a rear brake light. It's either on top of the window or outside, because the middle shelf in the hatchbacks can be removed - therefore you also remove the brake light.

I was just saying not to rule anything out because mine is a lift back and my 3rd brake light is in the same area as the concept on the "bottom" of the window

[Matador]

I think the guy from SOA Blog is full of shit. Any insight quicksilver?

Originally Posted by Franisco

Does anyone else see Mitsu FTO at all?

See a lot of FTO in the basic profile. not a bad thing IMO

Originally Posted by C-Bone

Oh really?

This.

[Aki]

Originally Posted by xravexboix

I can't imagine a set of track tires and a jack fitting in the car if it's not a hatch. Fold flat > 60/40 split seats

My car's not a hatch and it carried an extra set of 225/45/17 tires just fine. So that doesn't prove it's a hatch at all.

[cb7]

2nd attempt at uploading photoshop of lowered FRS:





Can you guys see it now?

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by xravexboix

I can't imagine a set of track tires and a jack fitting in the car if it's not a hatch. Fold flat > 60/40 split seats

i couldn't either but then i always have people like aki raining on my parade

[Fortunate Few]

thats baby size tires lol.

[dalli]

btw i did mention the ride height a little back haha

[spwolf]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Considering Toyota practically owns Subaru, I'd say any contribution from "Subaru" is the same as from Toyota...

Toyota is largest shareholder in: Subaru, AISIN and Yamaha, as well as other numerous automotive part companies such as Denso, Isuzu, Daihatsu, Hino, etc.

Dont expect large differences between models at all.

I think it will be a lot like Toyota Verso-S and Subaru Trezia, where Subaru made only smaller changes to the design inside and out.

Subaru worldwide can not sell large numbers of this car, Toyota can.

Subaru makes good cars and they are on the upswing, but due to their relatively limited sales, they are not THAT profitable... for instance they made $600 million last year on sales of 650k cars worldwide, while Toyota made >$5 billion.

As such Subaru needed major partner to share components with and Toyota needed more engineers and production capability at the time... hence they purchased minority ownership in Subaru.

[xravexboix]

Originally Posted by Aki

My car's not a hatch and it carried an extra set of 225/45/17 tires just fine. So that doesn't prove it's a hatch at all.

I'm not saying that statement proves it as a hatch, but that is does point in that direction at the least. The info I received may have been based on this statement as well, versus being blatantly told it's a hatch. I'll check again to see where the info was derived from the next time I see him ( in a week or two ).

Based on the dimensions of the concepts, the trunk space will be tiny... especially when you take the rear seating into consideration. The Civic (which year?) has a relatively large trunk in comparison. (Sorry, can't find the pictures of the p-shop of the FT and S2k/350z overlay).

[Ryuu0u]

Originally Posted by cb7

2nd attempt at uploading photoshop of lowered FRS:





Can you guys see it now?

Lol looks like 7th gen celica with action package or GT4 with the rally wing. Kinda rice but i like it haha

[Traum]

Originally Posted by xravexboix

Based on the dimensions of the concepts, the trunk space will be tiny... especially when you take the rear seating into consideration. The Civic (which year?) has a relatively large trunk in comparison. (Sorry, can't find the pictures of the p-shop of the FT and S2k/350z overlay).

The trunk only need to be big enough to hold my autox / track supplies. Any bigger than that and it's a waste of space~

[NikostC]

How much do those 17" Enkei rims weigh?

EDIT: Found out they weight in at around 21.5 lbs... eh not bad.. just as much as my stock Scion tC rims.

[spwolf]

Originally Posted by xravexboix

Based on the dimensions of the concepts, the trunk space will be tiny... especially when you take the rear seating into consideration. The Civic (which year?) has a relatively large trunk in comparison. (Sorry, can't find the pictures of the p-shop of the FT and S2k/350z overlay).

but we know what is the size of concept - it is 4.2m meter in length, same as 130i sedan for instance... It is also slightly wider and a lot lower.

So I would expect trunk like in 130i, which is not bad at all...

[xantonin]

If I'm not mistaken, this car is slightly bigger than the Celica.

Considering that, and how big the Celica trunk space is, I don't see it as an issue.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by Aki

My car's not a hatch and it carried an extra set of 225/45/17 tires just fine. So that doesn't prove it's a hatch at all.

Hi Aki, given that Civic has a 4 door variant and it has a larger, I would guess you can easily fit 4 wheels in your car fairly easily. BTW, how do you fit those 4 wheels for your track day?

Originally Posted by spwolf

but we know what is the size of concept - it is 4.2m meter in length, same as 130i sedan for instance... It is also slightly wider and a lot lower.

So I would expect trunk like in 130i, which is not bad at all...

Originally Posted by xantonin

If I'm not mistaken, this car is slightly bigger than the Celica.

Considering that, and how big the Celica trunk space is, I don't see it as an issue.

I am guessing the trunk space is probably between 250 and 350 liters (9.3 to 13 cu. ft), probably in 300 liters (11 cu. ft) range. If this is a coupe with trunk, I guess you can only fit 2 wheel in the trunk and than put the extra 2 on the back seat. With a liftback and fold-flat seat, you can lay then on the floor without bags to protect your interior. Otherwise you need to get the tires bagged and put them in the back seat. This is what I am guessing.

BTW, anyone could share a picture of the trunk/liftback on 7th gen celica? I think this car should compare pretty good in terms of the size of that celica, so we might have some hints on size.

And xravexboix, thanks for the info. Hopefully this is true when they release the production version.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

during data testing we bring crates and crates filled with parts that we think will benefit the car, that ranges from springs, shocks, wheels, tires, aero, control arms, ecu, transmissions even engines. we have a full working garage at the ring where we can remove and replace any piece we want to gather as much data as possible. the cars final shakedown should be be done by summer. aside from a tuning standpoint we are also able to stress test all parts and disassemble after testing is done.

Did they bring a ScangaugeII?

I'm also curious if you can hijack/share the windtunnel reports including the one for the first concept. I've got some buddies who would enjoy reading it . If not just the drag Coefficient with the frontal area would be great too! Most companies don't share even that tiny bit of info with us .

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I think the guy from SOA Blog is full of shit. Any insight quicksilver?

He's really preaching to his congregation that's for sure !