Your ideas for future sports car market

[RaceR]

If you could decide how the future sports car market should look like in the future, or say 2015. Which cars would you add to the market?

Ill focus more on the japanse market. And since I am living in a country where CO2, and HP costs huge amount of money Ill focus more on low emissions. Im not going to mention all cars here.. (genesis, mustang, 370Z, WRX, Exige.. etc)

Toyota MR2
Cheap, Roof (or targa), MR, 2 seater, LSD, 150bhp, 1,4l turbo, 970kg
This would be the modern day 1. gen MR2. And the only cheap and affordable MR sports car on the market with some power. Should have som go-kart feel to it.
(the affordable version of Lotus Elise and Alfa Romeo 4C)



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Mazda MX 5/Alfa Romeo xxx.. (ND, 4. generation)
The cheap, fun, lightweight and affordable 2 seater cabriolet. 1100kg, RWD
Low power: 1,4l NA, 130hp
High Power: 1,4l Turbo, 170hp
Sport package available for both cars. Including LSD, lighter wheels, stiffer and lower suspension.. etc..

Keep some MX5 design, but add some stylish alfa design..


Or add old-school ferrari 2 seater design instead of the modern look. Retro is COOL!

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THE 86 FAMILY

GT86/BRZ/FR-S - (Coupe ,same as today, GT86/BRZ/FR-S)
FR, 2l NA, LSD, 200hp, 2+2 Coupe, 1250kg (with much equipment)

GT86/BRZ/FR-S - Hatchback
Like the normal coupe, but with a longer roofline and hatchback trunk. Add 25kg.
Should also be available in different "trim levels" like the TRD/STI, R etc..





GT86/BRZ/FR-S - L
L for low power. 175hp and "torque tuned" for less HP and less CO2. Only available to certain countries.

GT86/BRZ/FR-S TRD/STI
2l with supercharger, 250hp, 1285kg, big brakes, lowered 0,8 inch... New body panels. Not just bolt on plastic. Some lightweight materials.



GT86/BRZ/FR-S - R
Race-edition
2l NA, 230HP, 1180kg, better brakes, lowered 1 inch. High use of lightweight materials, but still comfortable enough for the street with a proper interior. More racing look.
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Honda/Nissan/Mazda sports car wagon thingy
2+2 seater hatchback/wagon style, with some hint of coupe lines.. (Design wise, thinking of cars like 86 hatchback above, Ferrari FF, BMW Z3/Z4 M Coupe) FR, 1285kg, LSD, 1.8l turbo 180hp,
The turbocharged and more practical rival for the 86. with larger back seats, but not that much luggage space. Could fit a lot with seats down. Easy to tune..
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Toyota Supra/BMW Z5
Collaboration between Toyota and BMW. Forget back seats. Make it small-ish and lightweight, but also powerful and agile.
Supra with simple interior and little luxuries.
BMW with totally redesigned high quality interior.
One normal edition, and one insane edition of both.

2 seater, Targa style roof, LSD, 2l Inline 4 with 2x twinscroll. 280hp. FR
1300kg Supra
1350kg Z5

Toyota Supra R /BMW Z5 M
400 hp, 3l Inline 6 with 2x twinscroll turbos, normal coupe style hatchback roof
1370kg Supra R
1420kg Z5 M


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Honda NSX
Hybrid stuff, supersportscar. 2 seater

(personally I would prefer a NA, MR car, but if there should be a new NSX it would probably be a hybrid, and I would not mind seeing that. It would fit the NSX name better. New Sportscar eXperimental)

[track_warrior]

This is what i would like to see:

Mazda RX9

3 rotor Twin Turbo 300HP 1280 KG'S 2+2
Body: Resembling the RX7 which is the best RX gen ever but a bit more modern.
Low Power: 300hp
High power: RX9 Mazdaspeed 400hp (should be able to compete with the upcoming M3)


Nissan S16

1200-1300 KGS 1.6T , 2.5 NA, and 2.5T engines
A modern version S15 with pricing just underneath the 370z ( btw 370z should be made a bit more upscale to compate with the M3) at a more reasonable price but this way the s16 would be at the bottom of the lineup followed by the 370z and then at the higher end the GT-R.
Low Power: 1.6T producing 160hp / 200hp NA 2.5 engine from the Spec V
High Power: 300 HP turbo 2.5 Spec V engine


Plus i would like to see al the other cars you just mentioned!!

[RaceR]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

This is what i would like to see:

Mazda RX9

3 rotor Twin Turbo 300HP 1280 KG'S 2+2
Body: Resembling the RX7 which is the best RX gen ever but a bit more modern.
Low Power: 300hp
High power: RX9 Mazdaspeed 400hp (should be able to compete with the upcoming M3)


Nissan S16

1200-1300 KGS 1.6T , 2.5 NA, and 2.5T engines
A modern version S15 with pricing just underneath the 370z ( btw 370z should be made a bit more upscale to compate with the M3) at a more reasonable price but this way the s16 would be at the bottom of the lineup followed by the 370z and then at the higher end the GT-R.
Low Power: 1.6T producing 160hp / 200hp NA 2.5 engine from the Spec V
High Power: 300 HP turbo 2.5 Spec V engine


Plus i would like to see al the other cars you just mentioned!!

Great cars!

I was thinking on adding a new RX7.
But the wankel engines seems to be obsolete when it comes to modern day co2 emmisions. Oil consumtion and durability may also be questioned. Im a bit skeptical to wankel engines these days. But if they can make it work and have low CO2 emmisions. Bring it on! Love the wankel consept, and also the love the low body style of the RX7 which is possible due to the small and low engine.

Id like to see a sporty but also practical lightweight RWD drivers car.
That is where the 86 hatchback, or the Nissan/Honda/Mazda collaboration comes to my mind.
I would throw my money on that in an instant!
Lightweight Sporty RWD car, should not have to mean unpractical car.

BMW should make the 1-series into the 2- series. And make 1-series cars smaller, sportier, and lighter with LSD as an option. More like the E30 used to be..
(unfortunately BMW might be using FWD in future 1-series)

Picture below is from the latest production F22 1-series, 3-door with M-package. Looks good from this angle. Not that good that good from other angles, especially not from the front..

Wins the award for best practical small RWD car car in my book. But I want sportier, lighter, and could compromise a little practicality and comforts. + better looks/other headlights..

Speaking about future cars. Current 1M coupe is out of production. In 2015 we need a new 1M Coupe based on todays 1-series. Oh.. and make a CSL version of it too!
The new car could look something like this, but more agressive and with even wider fenders..

[Mitch]

I would be on a 300+hp modern shooting brake like white on rice. Before the BRZ came along, the S54 M Coupe was at the top of my list for new car candidacy. If they come up with a turbo BRZ Brake, or a 135i/1SerieseMCoupe Brake, I'd be throwing money at the dealership until they handed me keys.

[Sigh-on-Rice]

I was more interested in something less than FR-S.

1.5L
120 hp
RWD
2500 lbs
160" in length
2+2
$20k
0-60 in 9 secs
Something that no one would bother to race against, but still is fun to drive.

Since I already got an FR-S, I wouldn't get it to replace FR-S.
But if that was there at the time when FR-S was released, then I would've chosen that instead.

[ichitaka05]

Wish Suzuki bring back Cappuccino

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by RaceR

GT86/BRZ/FR-S - Hatchback
Like the normal coupe, but with a longer roofline and hatchback trunk. Add 25kg.
Should also be available in different "trim levels" like the TRD/STI, R etc..

This. You don't have the latest build for that though. Someone pointed out the huge blind spot so there was another one. BTW, you didn't credit the designer.

Originally Posted by RaceR

GT86/BRZ/FR-S - L
L for low power. 175hp and "torque tuned" for less HP and less CO2. Only available to certain countries.

I was expecting this actually but it didn't happen.

[quik1987]

I think Mazda should merge the RX-7, MX-5, and Alfa Romeo to save money.

[ST185RC]

Euro Inspired Japanese sports cars - OK

Euro Collaborated Japanese sports cars - Please god no. If the Supra wasn't wallet unfriendly enough already, having BMW hand in it would make it even worse.

[alexmotrix]

Originally Posted by quik1987

I think Mazda should merge the RX-7, MX-5, and Alpha Romeo to save money.

And cx5, it has to be fuel efficient...

[ZDan]

WTF is an "Alpha" Romeo?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ZDan

WTF is an "Alpha" Romeo?

Company that is related to Pherrari?

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by ZDan

WTF is an "Alpha" Romeo?

oops alfa

[Neekowahhhh]

Wow you rendered most of those yourself? The hatchback 86 had me drooling man..

[Bonburner]

I never liked hatchbacks .. but I like the low angle hatchbacks :X

[LSxJunkie]

I'm saving my pennies for this.



And not much else.

[RaceR]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

This. You don't have the latest build for that though. Someone pointed out the huge blind spot so there was another one. BTW, you didn't credit the designer.

I was expecting this actually but it didn't happen.

Huge credit and respect to the designer, and the people behind the car if several... It is genious!
Not sure who was behind it tough.. The photoshop thread is full full of pictures, and I saw several people posting stuff related to the car and design.
Please, tell me who was behind it, and post latest version.

I would be all over a 86 hatchback. Especially in "L" edition.

Decreasing 25hp and 20g CO2. Would knock off about 10700USD on the sales price of 75000USD in Norway (land of extreme engine taxes)...

Originally Posted by ST185RC

Euro Inspired Japanese sports cars - OK

Euro Collaborated Japanese sports cars - Please god no. If the Supra wasn't wallet unfriendly enough already, having BMW hand in it would make it even worse.

Not that I could afford a new Supra anyway. But I would not be surprised to see Toyota working together with BMW if making a new Supra.
-Toyota are already working together with Euro car makers on small cars. (Peugeot 106, Citroën C1, Toyota Aygo.. Basically same car..)
-Toyota will work together with Peugeot and Citroën on the new Hiace. (Fresh news! Source)
-Toyota and Subaru are working on the GT86/BRZ.
-Toyota and BMW have already signed a deal to collaborate on sports car and EV technology. (news still less than a month old) Source

So im guessing we will see something eco friendly electric/hybrid stuff sports car.. or a new supra or something with angine from BMW..
Old supra used straight six. I would say BMW is at the top of the game when it comes to straight six engines today. And if going for a strong and efficient 4 sylinder, BMW is already there with their 2 liters engines..

BMWs 1,6l turbo in the Cooper S is also shared with Peugeot and Citroën. Have not heard any complaining there. (should not be, since it is 2012 international engine of the year). If we should see a new supra, it could still be a car with the majority of Toyota parts. But they would probably take an engine from BMW since it would cost a lot for Toyota to make a brand new and efficient engine (and gearbox) just for a new Supra.
Todays car market is hard, so seems more and more car manufacturers are gathered under the same roof, or collaborating on cars and projects.

[Palmy]

Originally Posted by RaceR

[RaceR]

I think it is one of the best looking hot hatches out there.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by RaceR

Huge credit and respect to the designer, and the people behind the car if several... It is genious!
Not sure who was behind it tough.. The photoshop thread is full full of pictures, and I saw several people posting stuff related to the car and design.
Please, tell me who was behind it, and post latest version.

I would be all over a 86 hatchback. Especially in "L" edition.

Decreasing 25hp and 20g CO2. Would knock off about 10700USD on the sales price of 75000USD in Norway (land of extreme engine taxes)...

Oh you didn't know? Ichitaka made those. I lost all my copies but there was a thread here where he had a coupe with a ducktail, convertible, and showed off the newest version of the hatchback.

[RaceR]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Oh you didn't know? Ichitaka made those. I lost all my copies but there was a thread here where he had a coupe with a ducktail, convertible, and showed off the newest version of the hatchback.

Toyota should hire Ichitaka and start making hatchback edition now!
ASAP!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Oh you didn't know? Ichitaka made those. I lost all my copies but there was a thread here where he had a coupe with a ducktail, convertible, and showed off the newest version of the hatchback.

Originally Posted by RaceR

Toyota should hire Ichitaka and start making hatchback edition now!
ASAP!

LOL thanks!

Don't worry, I've gave targa & hatch 86 to Tada-san.
These ones



& the duckbill ones you're talking bout is this one right?