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#87 · 04-04-2011, 08:33 PM

So I can do heel toe at full braking but in regular every day driving where I'm not approaching a corner at speed but just slowly braking into it I can't heel toe. If I try I end up pushing the brake really hard and it's very ugly and not smooth.

Are there any tips for getting smooth with heel toe when not under full braking?

ichitaka05 · 04-04-2011, 09:13 PM

Then I would recommend doing when you're fully at stop. Feel your brake pedal when you press it lightly and press your gas w heel.

That should help you lil bit

NESW20 · 04-04-2011, 09:21 PM

just gotta work on that ankle rotation.

RRnold · 04-05-2011, 01:52 PM

Since you are not fully pressing the brake pedal during everyday driving, I don't think you would have enough leverage and angle to do as smooth as you would during heavy braking.

Maybe try practicing in an empty parking to and see which angle works better for you; using your big toe, 2 toes or entire ball of your foot etc.

NESW20 · 04-05-2011, 04:25 PM

i have no problem heel-toeing virtually any car under any amount of braking. my size 9s seem to work well for it.

TheBigBadBanana · 04-05-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RRnold

Maybe try practicing in an empty parking to and see which angle works better for you; using your big toe, 2 toes or entire ball of your foot etc.

Definitely this. Practice makes perfect.
If major ankle rotation doesn't work for you, wider shoes might help.

aliphian · 04-05-2011, 05:26 PM

I have never attempted this technique. I did used to practice left foot braking though.

aliphian · 04-05-2011, 05:33 PM

Check out this crazy tap dancing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ieRNmgxiA

xantonin · 04-05-2011, 08:31 PM

I have wide and big feet, and I have trouble just angling them without hitting the sidewall of the foot area with my heel...

For I while I tried using my toe on the brake and my pinky toe on the gas but it felt risky, like I could slip...

I came to the conclusion that I just don't think every foot pedal is designed equally and that you can't heel-toe in every car. Seems to me the gas pedal in my car is a good 4 inches further back than the brake pedal.

XpLiCiT_CaShh · 04-05-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xantonin

I came to the conclusion that I just don't think every foot pedal is designed equally and that you can't heel-toe in every car. Seems to me the gas pedal in my car is a good 4 inches further back than the brake pedal.

Also spacing between pedals.. My ol Escort the pedals were so close occasionally id clip the brake while clutching or giving her berries .. ahh good times!

ichitaka05 · 04-05-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aliphian

Check out this crazy tap dancing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ieRNmgxiA

I am more amazed how he's not scare all those ppl. That's one of reason I can't be Rally driver.

#87 · 04-05-2011, 10:05 PM

Another thing. What pedals or material on your pedals can you use to prevent slipping with wet feet.

I practice stick shift in my GF civic si because my car is auto. If your feet are even damp the pedals are dangerously slippery.

karma003 · 08-13-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by aliphian

Check out this crazy tap dancing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ieRNmgxiA

Amazing video thanx a lot for the post

Draco-REX · 08-13-2012, 10:31 AM

Practice, practice.

Also, you don't HAVE to hit the gas with your heel. I find it easier to hit the pedal with the outside of my foot about opposite from where the arch is.

Draco-REX · 08-13-2012, 10:39 AM

Oh, and I'll use this as an excuse to post something awesome because it has some footwork shots in it:

Walter Rohrl driving the Group B Audi Quattro

Sylvain44 · 08-13-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xantonin

I have wide and big feet, and I have trouble just angling them without hitting the sidewall of the foot area with my heel...

What's your shoes size ? Mine are 13.5 - 14

Ryephile · 08-17-2012, 10:22 AM

I found the BRZ to have excellent pedal placement for heel-n-toe. [size 9 shoes] Practice makes perfect! A big part of keeping brake pressure steady is to practice a low pressures [low deceleration]. This will give your muscles the sensitivity training to not be ham-legged [?!] during aggressive braking, as you won't be relying on the brake pedal stiffness to brace yourself and reaching for the throttle.

Justin.b · 08-17-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Practice, practice.

Also, you don't HAVE to hit the gas with your heel. I find it easier to hit the pedal with the outside of my foot about opposite from where the arch is.

I do the same. Big toe on the brake, outside edge of my foot hitting the gas. I have pretty wide feet, though, which makes this easier for me than for some. I can't wear sneakers on my Miata or I will always hit the gas and brake together whether I want to or not.

-Justin

iLuveKetchup · 08-24-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin.b

I do the same. Big toe on the brake, outside edge of my foot hitting the gas.

While there is no one way to heel toe, I really have to discourage people from braking with just the side/edge of their foot. Your foot can easily slip and you can end up in a bad situation. IMO, braking takes priority so you should have as much footing on the pedal as possible.

Here's video of my heel toe (0:34) at a local autocross.

Edit: At slow street speed, I don't even bother to heel toe. You will have enough time to rev match with out heel toe.

wheelhaus · 08-24-2012, 11:17 PM

It's typically easier to heel/toe at higher braking rates, more pressure on the brake pedal makes it easier to swing your heel over to zing the gas pedal. Practicing at lower speeds and slower braking rates can improve your sense of feel and technique.

I had a 2001 2.5RS that had a couple dead synchros, so I managed to learn double clutching. Now I do it almost all the time when I downshift, but it took a lot of practice!

dori. · 08-25-2012, 02:05 AM

BRZ is the easiest car I've driven to heel toe in. just practice. its really only useful under moderate/heavy braking anyway.

Justin.b · 08-25-2012, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

While there is no one way to heel toe, I really have to discourage people from braking with just the side/edge of their foot. Your foot can easily slip and you can end up in a bad situation. IMO, braking takes priority so you should have as much footing on the pedal as possible.

My technique is mostly dictated by the size of my feet. I have most of my foot on the brake and blip the throttle with the outer edge.

-Justin

04-04-2011, 08:33 PM	#1
#87 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 1,372 Thanks: 14 Thanked 377 Times in 188 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Heel toe So I can do heel toe at full braking but in regular every day driving where I'm not approaching a corner at speed but just slowly braking into it I can't heel toe. If I try I end up pushing the brake really hard and it's very ugly and not smooth. Are there any tips for getting smooth with heel toe when not under full braking?

04-04-2011, 09:13 PM	#2
ichitaka05 Site Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: '00 Subaru 2.5RS Location: Middle of No where Posts: 9,098 Thanks: 924 Thanked 3,119 Times in 1,450 Posts Mentioned: 78 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Then I would recommend doing when you're fully at stop. Feel your brake pedal when you press it lightly and press your gas w heel. That should help you lil bit __________________

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NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,249 Thanks: 29 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	just gotta work on that ankle rotation. __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

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RRnold 2 wheel member Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: 05 Tacoma 4x4 DC MKIV Supra 6spd TT Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,054 Thanks: 925 Thanked 627 Times in 353 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Since you are not fully pressing the brake pedal during everyday driving, I don't think you would have enough leverage and angle to do as smooth as you would during heavy braking. Maybe try practicing in an empty parking to and see which angle works better for you; using your big toe, 2 toes or entire ball of your foot etc. __________________

04-05-2011, 04:25 PM	#5
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,249 Thanks: 29 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i have no problem heel-toeing virtually any car under any amount of braking. my size 9s seem to work well for it. __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

04-05-2011, 05:26 PM	#7
aliphian Dreamer Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Nutless Grocery Getter Location: California Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have never attempted this technique. I did used to practice left foot braking though. __________________ "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

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aliphian Dreamer Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Nutless Grocery Getter Location: California Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Check out this crazy tap dancing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ieRNmgxiA __________________ "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

04-05-2011, 08:31 PM	#9
xantonin Mr. Detail Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: 2003 Celica GT-S Location: Cary, NC Posts: 738 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have wide and big feet, and I have trouble just angling them without hitting the sidewall of the foot area with my heel... For I while I tried using my toe on the brake and my pinky toe on the gas but it felt risky, like I could slip... I came to the conclusion that I just don't think every foot pedal is designed equally and that you can't heel-toe in every car. Seems to me the gas pedal in my car is a good 4 inches further back than the brake pedal. __________________

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#87 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 1,372 Thanks: 14 Thanked 377 Times in 188 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Another thing. What pedals or material on your pedals can you use to prevent slipping with wet feet. I practice stick shift in my GF civic si because my car is auto. If your feet are even damp the pedals are dangerously slippery.

08-13-2012, 10:31 AM	#14
Draco-REX Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 07 STI, 03 WRX, 13 BRZ Location: Ohio Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 61 Thanked 975 Times in 450 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Practice, practice. Also, you don't HAVE to hit the gas with your heel. I find it easier to hit the pedal with the outside of my foot about opposite from where the arch is. __________________ 2013 Crystal Black Silica 6MT BRZ, "Ghost"

08-13-2012, 10:39 AM	#15
Draco-REX Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 07 STI, 03 WRX, 13 BRZ Location: Ohio Posts: 2,261 Thanks: 61 Thanked 975 Times in 450 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Oh, and I'll use this as an excuse to post something awesome because it has some footwork shots in it: Walter Rohrl driving the Group B Audi Quattro The Rally Supercars - Walter RÃ¶hrl - YouTube __________________ 2013 Crystal Black Silica 6MT BRZ, "Ghost"

08-17-2012, 10:22 AM	#17
Ryephile Hot Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: quicker than arghx7 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,292 Thanks: 68 Thanked 136 Times in 70 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I found the BRZ to have excellent pedal placement for heel-n-toe. [size 9 shoes] Practice makes perfect! A big part of keeping brake pressure steady is to practice a low pressures [low deceleration]. This will give your muscles the sensitivity training to not be ham-legged [?!] during aggressive braking, as you won't be relying on the brake pedal stiffness to brace yourself and reaching for the throttle. __________________ "Wisdom is a not a function of age, but a function of experience." Just Say No to unqualified aftermarket products.

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wheelhaus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2011 Kawasaki Z1000 Location: Denver Posts: 437 Thanks: 155 Thanked 187 Times in 120 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's typically easier to heel/toe at higher braking rates, more pressure on the brake pedal makes it easier to swing your heel over to zing the gas pedal. Practicing at lower speeds and slower braking rates can improve your sense of feel and technique. I had a 2001 2.5RS that had a couple dead synchros, so I managed to learn double clutching. Now I do it almost all the time when I downshift, but it took a lot of practice! __________________ Dave 2011 Kawasaki Z1000 DGM BRZ Premium

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