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DarkSunrise · 01-10-2014, 01:36 PM

Weight will make/break this car IMO.

If I were Kia, I wouldn't even bother if it weighs 3300 lbs. At that weight, it'd just be another 350/370z.

If it's under 3000 lbs though, it has the potential to be an actual FR-S competitor, but with a lot more hp. That would be interesting.

SUB-FT86 · 01-13-2014, 12:15 PM

I saw the real thing. Its not pretty though. Its kinda faceless.

ZDan · 01-13-2014, 12:33 PM

I like it. A lot...

rice_classic · 01-13-2014, 01:15 PM

Judging by the rear of the roofline it seems like they may have had a focus on the rear seats being functional. Looking forward to interior shots.

RFB · 01-13-2014, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

I like it. A lot...

I would have liked it if it wasn't for the step ladders on the windshield.

CERBERUS

SUB-FT86 · 01-13-2014, 02:39 PM

Once its face get fixed and the roofline slopes a bit it will be ultra gorgeous!

SUB-FT86 · 01-13-2014, 02:44 PM

If priced at 25k with a 280hp 2 liter It would be my next car.

fourvalleys · 01-13-2014, 02:57 PM

Quick and dirty, but I think it looks better with horizontal headlights. I'd have to imagine this is closer to what production would look like:

I see Mustang, GT86, Z, etc in this photoshop all by changing the headlights.

Does it look like everything else on the road? A bit, yes. Is that because I dislike the headlights on the concept? Probably. These might still look a bit too small. Also, I love that area where the headlight meets the grille. Sorry about that, it's quick and dirty.

rice_classic · 01-13-2014, 03:49 PM

It's a concept. I wouldn't focus on the details too much, or at all.

Remember the difference between the SSM and S2000 or the FT-86 and the FRS?

rcm47 · 01-13-2014, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fourvalleys

Quick and dirty, but I think it looks better with horizontal headlights. I'd have to imagine this is closer to what production would look like:

I see Mustang, GT86, Z, etc in this photoshop all by changing the headlights.

Does it look like everything else on the road? A bit, yes. Is that because I dislike the headlights on the concept? Probably. These might still look a bit too small. Also, I love that area where the headlight meets the grille. Sorry about that, it's quick and dirty.

Reminds me of the 70's celica. Depending on specs and performance, this may be the first ever Kia I like.

SUB-FT86 · 01-13-2014, 04:31 PM

All Kia needs to do is buy a Cayman S and benchmark its feel and performance into this car for 25~27k msrp.

jdrxb9 · 01-13-2014, 04:32 PM

Details are out - but remember, this is just a concept!

double wishbones all around
103.1" wb
169.7" ln - 3" longer than the 86, not bad
49.2" ht - having the concept this low gives hope for production
74.4" wd - this is crazy wide, 4.5" wider than 86, ~2" wider than a Z, into Vette/Mustang territory
2874 lb - again, having the concept claimed this low gives hope

Overall, +5-10% weight with +50% hp and +100% ft-lb sounds pretty good to me if they get all the details right! (steering feel, a real LSD, an ECU that doesn't modulate the throttle at every shift and doesn't rev hang, etc)

daiheadjai · 01-13-2014, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fourvalleys

Quick and dirty, but I think it looks better with horizontal headlights. I'd have to imagine this is closer to what production would look like:

I see Mustang, GT86, Z, etc in this photoshop all by changing the headlights.

Does it look like everything else on the road? A bit, yes. Is that because I dislike the headlights on the concept? Probably. These might still look a bit too small. Also, I love that area where the headlight meets the grille. Sorry about that, it's quick and dirty.

I think the headlight being mounted higher (i.e. right above the hood cutline) would be even nicer - but I agree - I'm not a big fan of the vertical headlamps.

Profile, shape and size look very nice though.

bakerr6 · 01-13-2014, 06:30 PM

Whole car is ugly and outdated. I'll pass, even with good performance numbers

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01-13-2014, 01:15 PM	#88
rice_classic Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Nevermorange FRS Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,160 Thanks: 755 Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,803 Posts Mentioned: 77 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Judging by the rear of the roofline it seems like they may have had a focus on the rear seats being functional. Looking forward to interior shots. __________________ SCCA T4 - FRS

01-13-2014, 03:49 PM	#93
rice_classic Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Nevermorange FRS Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 4,160 Thanks: 755 Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,803 Posts Mentioned: 77 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	It's a concept. I wouldn't focus on the details too much, or at all. Remember the difference between the SSM and S2000 or the FT-86 and the FRS? __________________ SCCA T4 - FRS

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01-13-2014, 12:15 PM	#86
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I saw the real thing. Its not pretty though. Its kinda faceless.

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01-13-2014, 02:39 PM	#90
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Once its face get fixed and the roofline slopes a bit it will be ultra gorgeous!

01-13-2014, 02:44 PM	#91
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	If priced at 25k with a 280hp 2 liter It would be my next car.

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fourvalleys Howdy! Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: Party ST, Classic Mini Location: WI/IL Posts: 196 Thanks: 73 Thanked 97 Times in 52 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Quick and dirty, but I think it looks better with horizontal headlights. I'd have to imagine this is closer to what production would look like: I see Mustang, GT86, Z, etc in this photoshop all by changing the headlights. Does it look like everything else on the road? A bit, yes. Is that because I dislike the headlights on the concept? Probably. These might still look a bit too small. Also, I love that area where the headlight meets the grille. Sorry about that, it's quick and dirty.

01-13-2014, 04:31 PM	#95
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	All Kia needs to do is buy a Cayman S and benchmark its feel and performance into this car for 25~27k msrp.

01-13-2014, 04:32 PM	#96
jdrxb9 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: ND2, formerly BRZ (MT/CBS) Location: PA Posts: 200 Thanks: 27 Thanked 73 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Details are out - but remember, this is just a concept! double wishbones all around 103.1" wb 169.7" ln - 3" longer than the 86, not bad 49.2" ht - having the concept this low gives hope for production 74.4" wd - this is crazy wide, 4.5" wider than 86, ~2" wider than a Z, into Vette/Mustang territory 2874 lb - again, having the concept claimed this low gives hope Overall, +5-10% weight with +50% hp and +100% ft-lb sounds pretty good to me if they get all the details right! (steering feel, a real LSD, an ECU that doesn't modulate the throttle at every shift and doesn't rev hang, etc)

01-13-2014, 06:30 PM	#98
bakerr6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 raven black fr-s Location: cincinnati, oh Posts: 1,447 Thanks: 503 Thanked 443 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Whole car is ugly and outdated. I'll pass, even with good performance numbers

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