anyone jump ship to a 2015+ Mustang GT?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Chad11491

265whp = 311hp factoring in 15% power train loss, which is about what a twin has (stock dyno around 170 on the mid to high side)

2760 (stock weight, a bit lighter than after the added weight of a turbo or sc) / 311 = 8.88 lb per hp

3705 / 435 = 8.5 lb per hp

So no, it wouldn't, if we're still bench racing.

actually they post around 165-67 on a dynojet which is a 17-18% loss. which would make it about 320 bhp and a power to weight of 8.61 lbs per hp.

and I forgot that they upped the coyote's output to 435, so I was thinking it was 420 which would've made it 8.8 lbs per...

Destroyed was an exaggeration, I was really talking about even keel, but if you put tracking it into the equation and not just straight line, it isn't even going to be close. a modded frs even just allowing for the 10G's or so initial cost difference, in mods, would put an frs in another ball park on the track to a bone stock GT...




Jaden

[Chad11491]

Originally Posted by Jaden

actually they post around 165-67 on a dynojet which is a 17-18% loss. which would make it about 320 bhp and a power to weight of 8.61 lbs per hp.

and I forgot that they upped the coyote's output to 435, so I was thinking it was 420 which would've made it 8.8 lbs per...

Destroyed was an exaggeration, I was really talking about even keel, but if you put tracking it into the equation and not just straight line, it isn't even going to be close. a modded frs even just allowing for the 10G's or so initial cost difference, in mods, would put an frs in another ball park on the track to a bone stock GT...




Jaden

FI Pacific Raceways 83+F CW/1:41 /glamcem/7-19-2014/Kraftwerks kit (Moto-East tuned), Fortune Auto 500 coilovers with 9k/9k swift springs, -3.0 Front / -2.2 rear camber, 235-40-17 Nitto NT-01 R Compounds (17x9 +35 RPF1 wheels), Carbotech XP12/XP12 pads, Motul RBF 600, Ti shims

From dynos i see Motoeast kraftwerks kits usually dyno 260-270whp
From : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38865

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rH5xlnka4U[/ame]

2012 Mustang posting exact same time with just strut braces (comes stock on 15's) and smaller brakes than stock gt performance pack and also down about 20hp from 15's as well as the 15's handling much better than the solid axle cars (ford claims faster than the boss 302 on track)

You're right, it was absolutely destroyed, not even close!

That's the only direct track comparison I can see with posted times on here. Having owned both a full bolt on (non FI) e85 brz with a decent amount of track time and autocross and with the gt as well, I can say for sure the handling is not much different (capability wise). I can take corners just as aggressively in the gt as I could in the 86. The nose likes to push a little stock, but you can use the power to correct it.

[totopo]

Originally Posted by Jaden

actually they post around 165-67 on a dynojet which is a 17-18% loss. which would make it about 320 bhp and a power to weight of 8.61 lbs per hp.

and I forgot that they upped the coyote's output to 435, so I was thinking it was 420 which would've made it 8.8 lbs per...

Destroyed was an exaggeration, I was really talking about even keel, but if you put tracking it into the equation and not just straight line, it isn't even going to be close. a modded frs even just allowing for the 10G's or so initial cost difference, in mods, would put an frs in another ball park on the track to a bone stock GT...




Jaden

haha, man, did an fr-s save your life or something? why do you have such a raging fan-boy boner for the car? I don't understand why you think they are some sort of miracle car. They are fun cars. They were designed for fun, not track times. Even your lord Tada-san said so himself. Why even bother about lap times? Lap times are pretty meaningless for 99.99999% of the drivers. It barely competes against any other cars in any groups. Maybe if you are trying to build a TT twins or something.

Truecar puts a 2016 mustang GT (no need for premium) at $30.5k. A brz at $25.3k, and frs at $26k. So more like 4-5k, not 10k. That won't buy you any sort of FI. plus a mustang GT comes with a factory warranty, which is worth a lot of money to some people.

[ort895]

lets be real, without some extensive work the 86 will not be as fast in a straight line...period. But with some modifications and a tune it can be pretty decent.
In my opinion while i know the stock stang is fast, it just doesn't "feel" fast. Still a hell of a car though.

[thill]

I love these threads where people take a heavily modded twin and then try to compare it to another stock car. You guys realize that the Mustang GT has tons of tuning potential, right? It just gets silly when you start going down this path. And the nice thing about most Ford vehicles is that if you buy authorized parts and get them installed at a certified dealer/shop you still get a warranty. So I would argue the tuning potential of the Ford is even better.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by thill

I love these threads where people take a heavily modded twin and then try to compare it to another stock car. You guys realize that the Mustang GT has tons of tuning potential, right? It just gets silly when you start going down this path. And the nice thing about most Ford vehicles is that if you buy authorized parts and get them installed at a certified dealer/shop you still get a warranty. So I would argue the tuning potential of the Ford is even better.

How do you tune ~1000 lbs of curb weight off the Ford?

[totopo]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

How do you tune ~1000 lbs of curb weight off the Ford?

you don't bother. You drop a little bit of weight then tune it to 700+ hp on low boost.

They are completely different cars.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

How do you tune ~1000 lbs of curb weight off the Ford?

You don't. Its a bigger car, but it can still be made to handle and has way more options with tuning than we do. Literally any and every part or way to make that car fast has already been dreamed up and used extensively. Parts are also cheaper on average.


Here is Ford's take on a lightweight, handling mustang that still does straightline performance from the factory.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by totopo

you don't bother. You drop a little bit of weight then tune it to 700+ hp on low boost.

They are completely different cars.

You can get 700+ hp out of the twin too.. This has been done to death...the bottom line is that you will never be able to take 1000 lbs off the gt, but you can get the power in a twin...

Jaden

[totopo]

Originally Posted by Jaden

You can get 700+ hp out of the twin too.. This has been done to death...the bottom line is that you will never be able to take 1000 lbs off the gt, but you can get the power in a twin...

Jaden

sigh, but a 700hp twin would be more like a 1200hp coyote v8. Why even bother comparing cars at that level?

in terms of mods needed, a ~260hp-ish twin is more like a 700hp-ish v8.

there is no replacement for displacement!

[Summerwolf]

Gd there is a lot more to speed than peak hp and weight.

[Packofcrows]

Nope. Test drove a few now and it feels heavy when driving straight. Pedals feel to my feet heavier. It is comfier and almost as good as our twins. Especially on sharp curves. I just dont like the shape and im biased, 'its a Ford.'

Now for the, "if i boost my twin to XHP, it would beat a mustang..." etc b.s.

Well, if you boost the mustang, and hit 450hp+ would it beat a twin?

This is a never ending thing. They are both X variables dependent of a common Y variable. Add X+1= twin+1 and mustang+1.

Either way the mustang will beat us. Just live with it. Same way a Civic Si will beat us. Our cars are more fun and i prefer our look. That is all.

[exE36M3]

This is an interesting thread.
I think you guys are essentially saying the same thing over and over again.

At the end of the day, it's pretty much a taste and aesthetics thing right? I'm Asian and my lottery winnings car would be a Viper or Vette or a 356 Porsche.

I don't think there's a single *genuine* car guy who talks down a car make because it's a Ford or it's Japanese. I still hang out with the BMW guys and all they talk about are McLarens or the FRS or EVOs and yes, even Mustangs. There's a pretty serious amount of respect in the car community. Heck, in the BMW club autocross, we even host non-BMW makes!

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by totopo

sigh, but a 700hp twin would be more like a 1200hp coyote v8. Why even bother comparing cars at that level?

in terms of mods needed, a ~260hp-ish twin is more like a 700hp-ish v8.

there is no replacement for displacement!

a 260whpish twin is like a 430 bhp car that's 1000lbs+ heavier... that's all I've said. a 480-530ish whp twin is like a 650-700hpish car that's 1000lbs+ heavier.

But then it comes down to getting the power to the ground which is more difficult in our light cars due to tire size constraints.

Jaden