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RadOnc · 10-13-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

As long as it has the boxer engine under the hood, I don't care what company's logo is on the front. I just love that uncorked boxer sound.

I just feel like they are going to be shooting each other in the foot if the two cars are too similar like the 90s Mitsu eclipse and Eagle Talon...

Jordo! · 10-14-2009, 12:02 AM

Nah -- I'm, thinkin' Camaro vs. Firebird

86Fan · 10-14-2009, 12:28 AM

Subaru will probably offer AWD while Toyota keeps RWD and different engine options. Good enough to differentiate the product.

Jordo! · 10-14-2009, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 86Fan

Subaru will probably offer AWD while Toyota keeps RWD and different engine options. Good enough to differentiate the product.

Not if they gave up rallying they wont... I thought Subie was out of that now.

86Fan · 10-14-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Not if they gave up rallying they wont... I thought Subie was out of that now.

Yeah they have pulled out of wrc but I don't see why they wouldn't offer awd since a major focus of the brand is on awd.

rnye · 10-14-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 86Fan

Also read somewhere that Toyota's transmission is going to be outsourced to Aisin Seiki... could be wrong though.

God I hope so. Aisin did the transmission on the S2000 and for anyone whos ever driven one.. well its damn near perfect.

Hachiroku · 10-14-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rnye

God I hope so. Aisin did the transmission on the S2000 and for anyone whos ever driven one.. well its damn near perfect.

I couldn't agree more. The slickest and shortest factory shifter I've ever driven. Owned a 2000 Berlina Black s2000 for a year or so, I still miss her

If the FT86 can get something close to what the S2000's transmission was/is, there will be high praise for it.

Jordo! · 10-14-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 86Fan

Yeah they have pulled out of wrc but I don't see why they wouldn't offer awd since a major focus of the brand is on awd.

That was the whole reason they offered them in the first place. It's also the reason Toyota once offered -- then stopped making -- the GT-4.

I predict Subie will be pushing the FR set up just as hard.

86Fan · 10-14-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

That was the whole reason they offered them in the first place. It's also the reason Toyota once offered -- then stopped making -- the GT-4.

I predict Subie will be pushing the FR set up just as hard.

Makes sense. Just strange that they will ditch awd technology since they have time and money invested into it and it's one of their major selling points of the brand. Guess we will have to wait and see.

Jordo! · 10-15-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 86Fan

Makes sense. Just strange that they will ditch awd technology since they have time and money invested into it and it's one of their major selling points of the brand. Guess we will have to wait and see.

The rally cars have to be based on production cars, so they have to make it work if they want to enter WRC.

Without that requirement, I bet Subaru will be crowing about the "beauty of rear wheel drive" in their commercials instead

Agam · 10-15-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MR2fan

One thing I've read is that Toyota has done most of the engineering for the project.

I would think that the subaru version will have AWD... thats their bread and butter. That's just my guess and nothing I've actually read.

i've heard the complete opposite.. i heard subaru is doing all of the engineering (anything mechanical) and toyota is doing the interior and exterior designing

CptCaveman · 10-15-2009, 09:39 PM

Regarding Subaru marketing RWD platforms. I can see them pushing RWD with an efficiency perspective. "All power of the BOXER engine coupled with the efficiency and maneuverability of rear wheel drive." They might even go with describing how RWD lets them put their low center of gravity BOXER engine further back to improve handling.

Then they can still differentiate their AWD systems with safety and control.

EDIT: I am praying to Treesus that a RWD GT XL Infinity+1 version makes it to the USA. Right now that is the only vehicle I possibly see myself purchasing in the near future. I am not sure I would care if it's Yota or Scooby. It would be nice to see it sold as a Toybaru, in fact if I did buy one I would make sure to badge it as such.

86Fan · 10-16-2009, 12:54 AM

I think there will be a lot more market competition for subaru once it enters RWD unless they plan to only offer low power rwd setups since that will help keep the price down.

CptCaveman · 10-16-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 86Fan

I think there will be a lot more market competition for subaru once it enters RWD unless they plan to only offer low power rwd setups since that will help keep the price down.

Well, they have the brand loyal people. But I believe that there are no other vehicles that could really compete with this car and have a brand name established. I only see the Genesis competing with this vehicle, and they are fairly new to the market with no proven name. Well as far as I know.

10-14-2009, 12:28 AM	#17
86Fan 2 yrs and counting... Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Audi & Toyota Location: Cali Posts: 117 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Subaru will probably offer AWD while Toyota keeps RWD and different engine options. Good enough to differentiate the product. Last edited by 86Fan; 10-14-2009 at 01:10 AM.

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Jordo! Enjoy it, destroy it. Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Datsun Racing Hen Location: Blank Generation Posts: 820 Thanks: 6 Thanked 61 Times in 48 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Nah -- I'm, thinkin' Camaro vs. Firebird

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CptCaveman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 05 WRX Location: Fayettenam Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Regarding Subaru marketing RWD platforms. I can see them pushing RWD with an efficiency perspective. "All power of the BOXER engine coupled with the efficiency and maneuverability of rear wheel drive." They might even go with describing how RWD lets them put their low center of gravity BOXER engine further back to improve handling. Then they can still differentiate their AWD systems with safety and control. EDIT: I am praying to Treesus that a RWD GT XL Infinity+1 version makes it to the USA. Right now that is the only vehicle I possibly see myself purchasing in the near future. I am not sure I would care if it's Yota or Scooby. It would be nice to see it sold as a Toybaru, in fact if I did buy one I would make sure to badge it as such.

10-16-2009, 12:54 AM	#27
86Fan 2 yrs and counting... Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Audi & Toyota Location: Cali Posts: 117 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think there will be a lot more market competition for subaru once it enters RWD unless they plan to only offer low power rwd setups since that will help keep the price down.

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