Failure After J02 Recall - Discussion Threads

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I know its not the most common failure, but haven't at least a few cars burning down been attributed to engine fires after the recall work was performed?

Not that I know of. I have followed pretty close. There was one guy that had a fire after throwing a rod but believe that it was before the recall.
I have also not been able to find one single failure from the other models. The process is totally different so the sealant issue doesn't come into play.

[killmequickly]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Annnnnd.. as I have said they can't even get the facts straight.


"Lawsuit Says Subaru Recall Repairs Are Causing Engine Fires"

You obviously have not been keeping up with this issue.


"This 2013 Scion FR-S Went Up in Flames After Valve Spring Recall"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26958/...-spring-recall

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by killmequickly

You obviously have not been keeping up with this issue.


"This 2013 Scion FR-S Went Up in Flames After Valve Spring Recall"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26958/...-spring-recall

One does not make a class action suit for cars bursting into flames as the title states.
Cars spinning bearings yes. Bursting into flames no.

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by mswbrz

https://trofire.com/2019/10/14/lawsu...-engine-fires/


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So how many have caught fire now?

[PWBRZ]

Does anyone know anything about the cause(s) of these fires? I just got mine back from the recall repair and noticed they had installed new high pressure fuel lines. They weren’t listed on the invoice anywhere - preventive measure perhaps?


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[EAGLE5]

You have gasoline, oil, sparks, and heat. Lots of things could make a car burst into flame.

[killmequickly]

The car fires is not the issue, the issue is that people's engines are being destroyed as a result of work being done (most likely incorrectly) from the recall.

Your car catching on fire is just a rare result that can occur if your engine gets destroyed.

As jsimon7777 pointed out, you have oil, fuel, heat, sparks, and oxygen (fuel for the fire). My guess is that the ones that did catch on fire not only spun a rod but also probably had a crack in the engine block or cylinder head or another pathway to excess oxygen such as a damaged piston, seal, or gasket. In a sealed cylinder, once the air (oxygen) is burned with the fuel, there is no more oxygen for the explosion to consume so the flame burns out and does not continue past the initial explosion. However when there is excess oxygen that can get past either the seals around the piston or through a crack somewhere in the engine the fire has fuel to continue.

Tcoat, the article and the article's title itself is not asserting that the bursting of flames is the root of the lawsuit. It's just a factual headline to grab your attention. The recall has indeed causing an engine fire (whether directly or indirectly). If you read the article it clearly states the lawsuit was started because of the recall work being done which is then causing engine failures which in turn has caused engine fires.

If you think about it, if your engine breaks down in the middle of high speed traffic on the highway you could possibly get into an accident which could possibly result in death.

Let's say someone did the J02 recall, their rod spun out in the middle of high speed traffic on the highway and their engine stalled and they lost power steering and other safety assisting features, then they got into an accident over 50mph and died.

If then, someone put out an article that said:

"Lawsuit Says Subaru Recall Repairs Are Causing Deaths"

Would you still say:
"One does not make a class action suit for deaths as the title states.
Cars spinning bearings yes. Deaths no"

No because you clearly missed the point of the headline and have misinterpreted it and most likely did not bother to read the entire article.

[killmequickly]

Originally Posted by Gunman

So how many have caught fire now?

I checked out NHTSA's website for 2013 frs under engine complaints and found 2.


https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2013/SCION/FR-S



You can find them under:


April 12, 2019
Incident Date: March 14, 2019
Consumer Location: San Anselmo, CA


March 12 2019
Incident Date: February 17, 2019
Consumer Location: El Cerrito, CA


I believe the infamous "TheDrive" article is the same person who registered their complaint on March 12 2019 with NHTSA, the incident dates match up as do the complaint information.

[Ichima]

So i would like to give everyone an update on my status of the recall. I went in early February for the initial recall service. Within 2 weeks of getting my car back the motor blew, spinning a rod bearing, and they also stated my intake and exhaust valves and rocker arms were shot along with it in the process. Took 2 more months after that for them to finally take blame. They rebuilt the bottom end of the motor by replacing the damaged parts. Car seemed to run fine for 1 month. The Boom. Spun another rod bearing and this time almost sent it through the block. This time they replace the entire shortblock. And today I will be bringing my car back because yet again. I have spun another rod bearing. This is the 3rd time now that I have spun a rod bearing since February. I've owned the car since April of 2012 and never had an issue. Mind you not every time I have brought the car in, another issue persist. First time, they told me my headgaskets were leaking and needed to be replaced. I agreed just so that they couldn't blame any future damage on me and had those replaced ($1000.00 out of pocket on my end). Second time when they rebuilt the motor OCV's are now faulty and it's on my dime ($200.00 out of my pocket). Third time i get the car back after new shortblock my ignition 2 and 4 now seem to be failing. ($300.00 out of my pocket). Mind you not, that car went in with no lights or mechanical issues.

[Snake]

Originally Posted by Ichima

So i would like to give everyone an update on my status of the recall. I went in early February for the initial recall service. Within 2 weeks of getting my car back the motor blew, spinning a rod bearing, and they also stated my intake and exhaust valves and rocker arms were shot along with it in the process. Took 2 more months after that for them to finally take blame. They rebuilt the bottom end of the motor by replacing the damaged parts. Car seemed to run fine for 1 month. The Boom. Spun another rod bearing and this time almost sent it through the block. This time they replace the entire shortblock. And today I will be bringing my car back because yet again. I have spun another rod bearing. This is the 3rd time now that I have spun a rod bearing since February. I've owned the car since April of 2012 and never had an issue. Mind you not every time I have brought the car in, another issue persist. First time, they told me my headgaskets were leaking and needed to be replaced. I agreed just so that they couldn't blame any future damage on me and had those replaced ($1000.00 out of pocket on my end). Second time when they rebuilt the motor OCV's are now faulty and it's on my dime ($200.00 out of my pocket). Third time i get the car back after new shortblock my ignition 2 and 4 now seem to be failing. ($300.00 out of my pocket). Mind you not, that car went in with no lights or mechanical issues.

Either you're incredibly unlucky or that shop doesn't know how to mechanic good. I'm guessing the latter.

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[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by Ichima

So i would like to give everyone an update on my status of the recall. I went in early February for the initial recall service. Within 2 weeks of getting my car back the motor blew, spinning a rod bearing, and they also stated my intake and exhaust valves and rocker arms were shot along with it in the process. Took 2 more months after that for them to finally take blame. They rebuilt the bottom end of the motor by replacing the damaged parts. Car seemed to run fine for 1 month. The Boom. Spun another rod bearing and this time almost sent it through the block. This time they replace the entire shortblock. And today I will be bringing my car back because yet again. I have spun another rod bearing. This is the 3rd time now that I have spun a rod bearing since February. I've owned the car since April of 2012 and never had an issue. Mind you not every time I have brought the car in, another issue persist. First time, they told me my headgaskets were leaking and needed to be replaced. I agreed just so that they couldn't blame any future damage on me and had those replaced ($1000.00 out of pocket on my end). Second time when they rebuilt the motor OCV's are now faulty and it's on my dime ($200.00 out of my pocket). Third time i get the car back after new shortblock my ignition 2 and 4 now seem to be failing. ($300.00 out of my pocket). Mind you not, that car went in with no lights or mechanical issues.

If SOA is not involved at this point, they need to be. 4 engine failures in a year is clearly red flag as far as this dealership.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not that I know of. I have followed pretty close. There was one guy that had a fire after throwing a rod but believe that it was before the recall.
I have also not been able to find one single failure from the other models. The process is totally different so the sealant issue doesn't come into play.

The guy with the white one that burnt was post recall. Around 400 miles after if I recall.

[RickyBobby]

Originally Posted by ermax

The guy with the white one that burnt was post recall. Around 400 miles after if I recall.

If you are referring to this one: https://www.thedrive.com/news/26958/...-spring-recall the article states, "The car caught fire two weeks and 2,000 miles after having its valve springs replaced."

It also states, "Police and fire aren't investigating it, they were just more concerned no one was hurt and clearing it off the highway," Mike added. "Insurance is more interested in paying out and not investigating cause."

It was never proven that the fire was caused by the recall work, and it's doubtful, given the condition of the car after the fire, that it would be possible.

[killmequickly]

Originally Posted by RickyBobby

It was never proven that the fire was caused by the recall work, and it's doubtful, given the condition of the car after the fire, that it would be possible.

What is doubtful? That the cause of the fire cannot be proven or that the recall work led to the fire?