FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Sully

If I remember correctly, the torque curve on the dyno was actually pretty good. AP1 S2k this probably isn't-so if you'd be satisfied with the ~150, it shouldn't need to be revved TOO badly. Especially at the weight that it is.

I guess I should have put the "rowing" the gears in quotes since people have different expectations for regular DD duties. But you are right, based on the dyno it might not be that bad. Will just have to wait until we can test drive it.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

MSRP

GC 2.0T= $24,250
FRS= $24,200


MSRP + dest fees

GC 2.0T= $25,215
FRS= $24,930 to $24,985 (depending on destination fees)

GC is heavier, larger, doesn't have as good of steering feel (per reviewers comments) and not as good looking as the BRZ/FRS. However it does have more power, more useable back seats?, better warranty, and probably a more useable DD car due to power curves.

BRZ/FRS is smaller, lighter, better seating position, better steering feel, better styling, better design as a sports car from beginning to end. However BRZ/FRS probably will force you to "row" the gears a lot in every day driving (not necessarily a bad thing), smaller back seats, not as good of warranty and not as much HP.


Just a few of the differences I could think of right now between the two cars.

Just add one thing to the BRZ/FRS camp: low center of gravity. However, I am questioning about the application of that in a DD car. So even if GC comes with a high COG, can that be fixed by suspension tuning and tire selection?

[Want.FR-S]

Or another note: when someone complains about the 200 hp of BRZ/FRS, many people would counter back with the saying of not understanding the power-to-weight ratio. Then we have to ask this: what is the power-to-weight (or torque-to-weight) ratio for BRZ/FRS and how it compares with other competition? Because based on my calculation BRZ/FRS is not doing any better than any of the competition.

Having said that, the *considered* light weight (27xx lb) is indeed a plus in today's new car. However, many of the old cars also come with that weight but with less power. I really need to see how much faster BRZ/FRS is compared with the old car I am trying to dump.

[tranzformer]

^ Good thought regarding the COG. Might feel some of that as a DD, but will definitely feel it on the track/auto-x. Just depends how the driver will use the car. 90%DD/10% track? Or 90% track/10% DD. Will really affect the decision I think to some extent; unless you absolutely need a lightweight car like the twins.

[Want.FR-S]

I would guess with low over hang, like the one in Mini Cooper or Scion iQ (?), having a higher COG may not be that bad as long as your COG stays within the tire track. However, with many front-heavy FWD where the engine is place forward than the front axle, the COG will shift out of the track once you do a hard-braking. But, that is my guess.

[serialk11r]

What do you mean shift out of the track? :O
I think low center of gravity is important for a road going car, because it allows you to enjoy the same level of grip with softer suspension and higher ride height. Remember, dropping this car 1 inch will give it lower center of gravity than an LFA! No doubt that this helps a little bit in ride comfort.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by fancisx

Hi, everyone
First post in the forum and hope I am making a valid complain, after waking up at 6 every morning for the past week waiting for a BRZ price.

Came across this just now in auto week:

$23,100
2.0L 274 hp, 275 lb-ft turbocharged I4
RWD
3,362 lb
0 - 60 MPH: 4.8 sec
Fuel economy 24 MPG
LED headlights and taillights.


Guess what car is it? Genesis coupe 2.0.

If the BRZ price come sooner I may not have more second thought but after putting down my deposit and waited so long, it's giving me a lot of 2nd thoughts.

Korean muscle car, less power, looks terrible

/thread

[DanPO]

UM those 0-60 specs are WAY WRONG. Actually the new 2013 Genesis coupe 2.0T (because I just drove one) is still VERY slow. My 2011 Scion XB (stock) pulls harder from 0-60. Even though there is a 60hp increase it is the same 0-60 performance because it is over 100lbs heavier. I drove the 2012 2.0T R-spec and the 2013 2.0T base this week. Wasn't impressed. It is a great coupe if you want a coupe. HOWEVER, I also saw and sat in a BRZ this week too. It is a REAL sports car. It is way sexier, way sportier than a genesis coupe and I can't wait to drive it. This car defies specs on paper and pictures don't do justice.

[Lonewolf]

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[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by Indestruct

under normal circumstances the Genesis would destroy Brz... But if we were racing downhill on Mt. Akina, the brz has a chance with it's 3 wheel drifto and imaginary lines...

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I agree for someone who wants to auto-X/hit the track 2-3 weekends a month, the GC might be heavier than what you want. But for a fun DD, I don't see the issue. The weight fits right inline with its competitors if not a bit lighter than them by ~200-300 pounds (Mustang V6, Camaro V6, G37, Challenger...etc.). Not really in the same class as the BRZ performance/design wise, but it is price wise. For the segment the car is designed for, it really isn't overweight (GT type car). Sure it would be awesome if it was closer to 3000 lbs even. But that would require lighter weight materials which are more $$$. I think Hyundai has done a great job balancing cost and performance.

The next redesign for the coupe in '16/'17 will hopefully shed some weight and use its own chassis.






You know Zgrinch, I thought the same when I first saw it. But the looks have grown on me. I finally saw one this weekend in black and it looks very nice in person. I wouldn't totally cast it off by looks. But with most things, it is up to personal preference. Just might not be your thing, and that is ok.






Depends if the OP needs a back seat to fit a little person (i.e. a child). 370Z is a great car, but not the most practical if it is your only car. The GC at least gives you the sporty coupe, but still makes it somewhat useable on a daily basis.





For me, I actually like the new '13 GC over the old GC. The new one looks worlds better to me. Now looking back at the old one, it looks too much like a Tiburon to me. I like the more aggressive looks of the '13. YMMV.






Looks quite capable to me. Not sure what you mean by it leaning like a sailboat or the exhaust sounding like "crap." If you want to track, just get the R-Spec or the track package.

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That new '13 GC 3.8 exhaust is heavenly for a stock exhaust. Have you heard it yet? Guess you don't like good sounding exhausts.

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The new manual transmission is worlds better than the old GC. Much better improvement, but it isn't completely refined. So I agree it isn't 100%.

I think we agree on a lot things with regards to the GC and in sports (sporty) cars in general.

Originally Posted by DanPO

UM those 0-60 specs are WAY WRONG. Actually the new 2013 Genesis coupe 2.0T (because I just drove one) is still VERY slow. My 2011 Scion XB (stock) pulls harder from 0-60. Even though there is a 60hp increase it is the same 0-60 performance because it is over 100lbs heavier. I drove the 2012 2.0T R-spec and the 2013 2.0T base this week. Wasn't impressed. It is a great coupe if you want a coupe. HOWEVER, I also saw and sat in a BRZ this week too. It is a REAL sports car. It is way sexier, way sportier than a genesis coupe and I can't wait to drive it. This car defies specs on paper and pictures don't do justice.

Honestly, I had to laugh out loud when I read this. Are you serious??? Or are you showing off about the HOT ride you roll in??? Pulls harder than a xB? You've got to be kidding...

Like I've always said, let's not become like other forums out there. Let's stay true to the sport/hobby and give credit where it's due and not go trashing the competition with absurd statements like the one above.

State your opinions on subjective areas of cars/etc., but let's not get moronic...

[ftwrath]

I have a 2011 Genesis V6 Track (Top Model) but I really like the look of the Brz.
however, head room? Im 6'4in and genny has tons of room.
no brembos?
Hp? Might be tough going from 300+ to only 200? Is it?
Anyone else thinking of switching?
I can't give a final answer until I take it for a drive. From just the look I do like it, wouldn't be sacrificing style that's for sure

[ZmZMWagon]

First time posting, but have been lurking for a little while. Im not sure why everyone is complaining about the price of the FRS. The 2.0 T Gen coupe might have more HP but after test driving it, the handling is nothing to write home about and the interior is not that spectacular. I felt my MS3 and wife's Infiniti G25 handled better for some reason. The weight of the 2013 Gen coupe was also a factor, it just feels and drives heavy.

For anyone thinking of getting the Gen Coupe just because of the HP, I suggest a long test drive. HP isn't everything, I learned this a long time ago when I gave up my Protege 5 for a more powerful car. Anyways, I think I am going to end up putting a deposit down for an FRS.

For the price, I don't think the Gen Coupe is that great of a value. The FRS/BRZ IMO is priced correctly.

[86'd]

Jack Hollis, is that you?

[ZmZMWagon]

Originally Posted by 86'd

Jack Hollis, is that you?

I wish....lol....