FR-S vs MkIV Supra

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Here's what I think they should do:
Make a 2-seat sports car out of this platform, with the engine and front seats moved ~24" aft. 200hp NA/300hp turbo 4s weighing ~2600-2800 lb. (less = better of course), with 50/50 or better (more rearward) F/R distribution.

Personal preference, but I'd greatly prefer that to a new ubercar with 1000+ hp potential that weighed 3400+ lb.

Well I'm sure they or at least Subie will make a FI version of the 86. This is why I suggested the new platform to put it into the next tier of cars. Toyota could benefit from having their affordable sporty coupe to a more serious and powerful 40k car.

All I want is Toyota to get back to their golden era, the 90's, when they were the enthusiast automaker.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Nobody who is looking at a Cayman, 911, or purist sports cars is going to look at a Sporty car such as the 86. It lacks the "refinement" found in those cars, not to mention a proper motor to be considered a "sports car".

These cars aren't as refined as you think. I work in sales for Audi/Porsche; I've driven first and second gen Boxsters and a 997 911 (going to be driving a Cayman soon) and they're rougher around the edges than you might expect for a $60-100K+ car. The money you're paying is much more for raw performance and the badge on the hood than anything else. I think it's entirely possible for someone shopping one of those cars to consider and buy an 86, considering its much lower purchase and operating cost. They'd just have to give up the la-dee-da pedigree. Toyota has plenty of racing heritage too, they just choose to ignore it rather than playing it up like Porsche does.

[uspspro]

New Supra should be (IMHO)

GT86 platform (modified to suit), ISF V8, 6spd MT

[Turbowned]

I think they just need to build a car comparable to the 370Z and Genesis Coupe, except with a small displacement turbocharged V6, something like the IS250 engine but with forced induction making ~350hp in stock trim. With a 33-3500lb curb weight it would be right in line with the Gen Coupe and 370Z, but with greater potential for improvement because of the turbo. Something that an intake, exhaust, and a tune could allow you to beat up on Camaros and Mustang 5.0's, just like in the '90s

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

I think they just need to build a car comparable to the 370Z and Genesis Coupe, except with a small displacement turbocharged V6, something like the IS250 engine but with forced induction making ~350hp in stock trim. With a 33-3500lb curb weight it would be right in line with the Gen Coupe and 370Z, but with greater potential for improvement because of the turbo. Something that an intake, exhaust, and a tune could allow you to beat up on Camaros and Mustang 5.0's, just like in the '90s

so you want a car that is just as heavy as a mustang, slower than a mustang, more complicated than a mustang, and more expensive than a mustang?

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by fatoni

so you want a car that is just as heavy as a mustang, slower than a mustang, more complicated than a mustang, and more expensive than a mustang?

As long as it's not a Mustang, yes.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

As long as it's not a Mustang, yes.

every so often you see an opinion that is just plain stupid but you agree completely:happy0180:

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by uspspro

New Supra should be (IMHO)

GT86 platform (modified to suit), ISF V8, 6spd MT

I rather it underpin the Lexus RC.

[Ashybone]

Originally Posted by fatoni

so you want a car that is just as heavy as a mustang, slower than a mustang, more complicated than a mustang, and more expensive than a mustang?

If we take a trip back to 1996-ish and look at the sticker price of the Supra vs. Mustang GT, I'm pretty sure you'd see the Supra was everything you just said minus the "slower"

Considering the rumored (not sure if its confirmed yet) "ecoboost" new 4 banger turbocharged mustank, a bmw powered inline 6 NA Supra would be a good match for it. Turboed, I'm sure the Supra could at least keep up with a GTR.

I'm a Supra fanboi so I don't think my opinion counts. But the way I see it, these two cars would be for different purposes. I'm going to have them both at some point so it doesn't matter to me. I don't know why people say heavy cars can't handle. Coming from the 3000GT VR4, I can tell you right now heavy cars CAN handle.

If I could go back in time and use the FR-S money and get a Supra I would. But only because I know I'd get a FR-S when I'm done paying for/moding the Supra.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Ashybone

If we take a trip back to 1996-ish and look at the sticker price of the Supra vs. Mustang GT, I'm pretty sure you'd see the Supra was everything you just said minus the "slower"

Considering the rumored (not sure if its confirmed yet) "ecoboost" new 4 banger turbocharged mustank, a bmw powered inline 6 NA Supra would be a good match for it. Turboed, I'm sure the Supra could at least keep up with a GTR.

I'm a Supra fanboi so I don't think my opinion counts. But the way I see it, these two cars would be for different purposes. I'm going to have them both at some point so it doesn't matter to me. I don't know why people say heavy cars can't handle. Coming from the 3000GT VR4, I can tell you right now heavy cars CAN handle.

If I could go back in time and use the FR-S money and get a Supra I would. But only because I know I'd get a FR-S when I'm done paying for/moding the Supra.

why would i be looking at a 96 mustang? the conversation you quoted was directly related to the current mustang. i dont agree with a lot of what you are saying but i know what its like to be a fanboy so i totally understand where youre coming from.

[Ammonia]

holy necro, wow

[B3yondL]

MKIV Supra is a legend. A brand new 0km MKIV today would probably resell higher than what it did 20 years ago.

[Ashybone]

Originally Posted by fatoni

so you want a car that is just as heavy as a mustang, slower than a mustang, more complicated than a mustang, and more expensive than a mustang?

This is the quote that I'm referring to. When you said this, I was simply pointing out that if we were to say, time travel and go back to the 96, the supra was heavier, more complicated and more expensive then the mustang.

So for Toyota to do the same thing with a 2015,16,17,18 or whatever year they decide to release the new supra, it wouldn't be that far out of the norm. But if your just going to dismiss everything that I'm saying because I admitted to being a fanboy that's fine.

At least I'm trying to present facts and not, "Supras kill mustangs" or "Supras put out 1000whp" like the normal Supra fanboy. You have your opinion I have mine. We don't have to agree.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Ashybone

This is the quote that I'm referring to. When you said this, I was simply pointing out that if we were to say, time travel and go back to the 96, the supra was heavier, more complicated and more expensive then the mustang.

So for Toyota to do the same thing with a 2015,16,17,18 or whatever year they decide to release the new supra, it wouldn't be that far out of the norm. But if your just going to dismiss everything that I'm saying because I admitted to being a fanboy that's fine.

At least I'm trying to present facts and not, "Supras kill mustangs" or "Supras put out 1000whp" like the normal Supra fanboy. You have your opinion I have mine. We don't have to agree.

im not dismissing you at all. you are dismissing the part where i talked about the supra being slower than the mustang though. i wouldnt mind if it was heavier, more complicated and more expensive IF it was faster, but thats not what we were talking about. if you want to disagree with what im saying thats fine but dont cherry pick my points when you choose to do it.