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Yes! This is one of my pet peeves when people think the manufacturers are some sort of not for profit enterprises and should be able to just make whatever a teeny tiny itsy bitsy portion of the driving pubic want for a price that wouldn't even cover half the cost of manufacture. I have been in the industry for 30 years and have never seen this attitude so bad as in the last 5. Cars are getting heavier. Yes but it isn't for lack of trying and pumping shitloads of money into new tech to fight that weight gain. Obviously I can not say how much but the money spent on reducing the weight of a set of rotors would shock people. That is one part of one system of the whole car. This same thing is being done for every single part. Right down to the very nuts and bolts.
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I don't know about the crash test nor the $100,000 price tag but say even if it did pass the crash test and was more reasonably prices at 60 or 70k US, that would still make it more than twice the price of a BRZ or MX-5. oh well, I guess it is pissing into the wind |
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What about Smart Cars? Apparently they have good crash ratings and only weigh about 1,800lbs. That would fulfill some peoples light weight and nimble requirements.
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But for the size of them they shouldn't weigh more than about 1,000 pounds! They also suffer from weight gain to survive a crash. And at 89 HP their power to weight ratio sucks big time!
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I had once a smart 2-seater. Not the current model, but the last one. Main advantage was as a city car. I could find a parking spot almost everywhere. The power wasn't much, but it was also really fun to drive on curvy mountain roads. I remember at that time an interview of Mercedes' CEO doing a similar comparison in Alps using a smart and a slk sports car. The smart could keep going with the slk without issues. The slk name was derived from sportlich (sporty), leicht (light) and kurz (short), but again it was a much heavier car and you could feel it in such roads. On the other hand, the smart was really weak and with no power on the highway. A slight wind could make it "unstable" and the top speed was very low.
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LESS IS MORE...
I agree with first post but "lightness" costs and despite that BRZ/GT86 is a mass produced sport car sharing components from other Subaru models that passes successfully all crash tests, it's light enough for this price range. If I could ask something from Toyobaru will be 100-150Kg less weight not the extra power many others ask for, once I test drove a Lotus Elise powered to 200+ps and it was much more fast than my STI on a local track. |
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In the real world torque matters. Track fast and street slow don't cut it.
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Is weight no longer an issue in sports cars?
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Torque and horsepower share a linear relationship with RPM. The whole torque is better than power argument is perpetuated by muscle car idiots who like engines whose ability to make power is crippled after 4000rpm. Downshift or upshift and drive the car in it's powerband. That goes for any car. Both of these cars have a serious torque dip, but only one gets ragged on for it: Last edited by Yoshoobaroo; 01-26-2019 at 12:01 PM. |
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It doesn't make much sense to compare the Alpine A110 with the BRZ. The Alpine is a 2-seater. You can compare it with the MX-5 RF and in fact the Alpine is not much lighter with all its "premium" materials.
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