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I've driven a lot of shitboxes and in between, had a 240Z; also a shitbox but a labor of love. I observed a significantly greater number of assholes stepping up to the Z than even the FRS. Even then, it wasn't the predominant behavior in the Southwest. (NM, AZ, SoCal) Been many years since I lived on the East Coast but now that you mention it, I remember the mindset.
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I don't think they're trying to race, TBH. Too many people around here are just self centered ****s. They have to be in front of you but once they've gotten there, they drive slow and hold you up. They'll be in such a hurry that they'll pull out right in front of you and make you slam on your brakes but then they'll proceed to drive slow. You know, because they were in such a hurry. They don't yield the passing lanes to faster traffic and they don't give people space to merge. I don't know what it is but this place is by far the worst I've ever been in the country for inconsiderate drivers, and I've been to a lot of places. |
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Isn't Virginia terrible for speeding tickets also? I can't remember why I thought that. |
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It's really a waiting game but its not really a big deal as I'm super happy with my FR-S, it would just be nice to have more options. I just fail to see why Japanese automotive manufacturer's do not see the market for a car similar to the FR-S with a bunch more powwaaa.
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http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html Yeah those numbers look ok, on par with Miata & 86, but the reality is that development costs are higher to make higher performance vehicles. They need to move more units to justify the design & manufacturing costs. To make a car that competes with Mustang & Camaro ($30k-$40k budget) they need to sell Mustang & Camaro levels of units. Which are 3x-10x that of any Asian sports car. http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html Everyone else in that segment is able to spread costs across shared engineering (engines, chassis) or move a fuckton of units. STI, Pony Cars, Super Hot Hatches, all meet those criteria. Asian companies don't make cheap high horsepower engines or have affordable RWD chassis so they've positioned themselves such that it is very very difficult to break into this niche. Nissan is the closest with their VQ truck engines and the Infinity chassis, but the numbers aren't inspiring, I doubt we'll see the continuation of the Z car as Renault drains what's left of Nissan. |
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Miata Twins Nissan 370Z Civic SI GTI 228i Mini Cooper? Hyundai Genesis Coupe Mustang Camaro FiST FoST Abarth 500 124 Spider Move up to $65,000 and you get into 'entry' cool stuff albeit second hand cars. Cars (and homes!) are expensive nowadays.. maybe they always have been and I'm just starting to notice. I wouldn't consider the really cool stuff until about $90k+ That's why cars like the Vette, 1LE, GT350, Scat Pack, etc. are kick ass! May not be your light weight fantastic chassis style but no one else is making 'em either. God bless America. |
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-countries/ The U.K. and Germany are super excited to get the Mustang, they're calling it a hit by moving ~27k units to Europe in a year according to this article, vs the >100k units they sold here over a similar period. (Which by the way makes it the best selling car over there) http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...-is-paying-off I can't speculate too heavily why the demand isn't there in other markets, other than broad strokes, other first world countries add additional tax on vehicles that use more fuel and/or have high emissions, turbo/supercharged, tax based on displacement etc. which makes high horsepower cars even more expensive than the US sticker price would allude to (not to mention much higher fuel costs). Add in the economic uncertainty and the current generation of Westerners in their 20's-30's are not doing as well as their parents it's no wonder it's not a great time for car sales. Oh, they also have functioning public transit that reduces the need for a vehicle. After all, one of the reasons the 86 is a 2.0L is to be in a lower tax bracket in certain countries (Japan and Europe off the top of my head) and why a 2.2L or 2.5L from the factory won't happen. For developing countries, China, India and Brazil primarily, the majority of the population does not have the wealth to afford a car like this, so that's a moot question. Most sales there are for super low end cars. tl;dr Nobody buys more cars then 'murica, except those super cheap tin cans in 2nd world countries. |
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Honestly, our best bets are Mustang and Camaro themselves due to what you've just listed. Those aluminum V8's aren't particularly heavy and there has been a greater focus on reducing weight for fuel economy reasons. They've been cutting hundreds of pounds from them and I suspect it is partially due to the fact that they simply didn't bother to spend the time/money/effort to do this back when fuel economy wasn't a big deal. Heck, even the new VW Golf platform cut over 200 lbs and that isn't even a large car. I know they'll never get sub-3000 lbs or anywhere near an 86 but I think if they could cut a few hundred pounds more from them, I'd be seriously looking as a buyer. |
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Like you said, the LT1 engine is relatively light. I think the problem is that the Alpha platform (while pretty good overall) is just too heavy, being designed to scale up for cars as large as the CTS, and scale down for cars like the Camaro. As long as future Camaro models are going to platform share with the CTS, I think they'll always be on the wrong end of 3500 lbs. I've grown to like Camaros/Mustangs as they are though and am actually considering a Camaro SS 1LE or possibly Mustang GT PP as my next DD. Fun in a different way!
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I have driven both the top (Canadian) package level Camaro and Mustang and they have come many miles in the last few years. Would I want one for daily driving? No, they are just plain silly powerful for what I would need. Make a fun weekend car or be fine as a DD for somebody that doesn't commute long distances or get stuck in traffic everyday though.
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