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06-01-2014, 08:53 PM | #1 |
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FRS/BRZ vs 2015 Golf GTI
Just wanted to start a discussion.
RWD 200/151 hp/tq 2dr coupe NA vs FWD 210/258 hp/tq 3dr hatch FI |
06-01-2014, 09:18 PM | #2 |
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Some facts..
Like BMW, Volkswagen underrates their horsepower figures. A stock GTI Mk7 makes ~210-220 WHP (look up the dynos). And it responds very well to tune and after-market bolt ons. USDM 2-door with a stick now weights 2976 lbs (~150lbs than a equivalent Mk6). So not much heavier than a stock 86. The Fiesta ST is lighter but makes less power and does not offer an LSD (~$1500 buys you one on the GTI as part of the performance package). Focus ST is heavier, at 3200lbs, and again does not have a front limited slip diff. New Mazda 3 weights about the same as the GTI, without turbo. Car won't let you disable ESP completely. Hopefully a software flash will do the trick, as it did for the Mk6 (although it took a while..). The Golf R will let you disable all electronics aids (VW sells it as "feature" on that car). But it will be much more expensive ($35-37K), heavier (~3300 lbs) and only come in 5-door configuration in the US. All in all, a great all around car that I would love to daily drive and take for long trips. Also, at this point I don't know why would anybody choose a Focus ST over this —the Fiesta ST I could understand, lower price point and lighter car. |
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If I was buying a car to park alongside my FR-S, I'd go for the mk7 GTI, mainly for the refinement. It wouldn't need to double as my fun car, so I would sacrifice a bit of fun for more comfort and refinement. Just my 2c as a current mk6 GTI owner.
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The long-term reliability of VWs is scary to me. I have thought about leasing a GTI to reap the benefits without the headaches later on down the road. But you figure for a little bit more a month, you could just finance an FR-S/BRZ and have something that will likely be quite reliable and still in good shape when it gets paid off.
The twins are the obvious sports cars, but the GTI is still a good looking hatch that drives VERY well. I'm curious about the Golf 1.8T, which has been getting pretty good reviews so far, and the base model starts out pretty cheap. Though of course that's not really what you'd want, but looking at the Golf 1.8T SE (which is kind of the package where it seems a lot more acceptable), it's already within a few hundred dollars of a base GTI that gets you 40 hp and 74 lb-ft more, among other things. |
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If you guys want I will do a full write up of my experience with VW. I recently traded in my BRZ limited for a 2014 GLI Autobahn/Nav. I've had it for 2 weeks. I was considering going to the WRX. Basically I loved the BRZ but it really wasn't working for my wife and I with 2 little ones. And to be completely honest my wife hated the car. So I got sick of hearing her bitch. When I get to the point financially I will have another one.
What does this have to do with a 2015 GTI? They are pretty damn similar. The new GTI obviously handles better and has a little more get up and go. But still similar. |
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I like the way the GTI looks, but I've always thought VW asks a little too much for their cars when equipped similarly to other cars in the same class (generally, ~$3000 premium). I tend to like my cars to be optioned up, so that's something that has been somewhat of a deterrent. The perception of VW electrical issues also scares me. I've also never been a fan of the way the clutch feels on VW cars, as well.
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That said, VW's notorious electrical problems seem to be behind them. Those were a huge PITA and a bad chapter in VW history. So far my mk6 GTI has been problem-free. I'm planning to keep it until the 5y/60k powertrain warranty runs, after which point I'll have to decide whether to roll the dice or not. My wife loves the car and wants to keep it until the wheels fall off, so we may end up going the distance with it. Quote:
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I have a MK6 GTI 4dr with APR tune and 3" downpipe. It hauls. 24k miles so far and 0 problems.
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same here, just horror stories about VW in general. we had a 2003 jetta that had a lot of electrical issues, sold that bitch quick after constantly fixing it.
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