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08-07-2017, 06:56 PM | #15 | |
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1. They listed every mod I have: headers, wheels, tires, coils, exhaust, race seat, even stripped interior, but their main argument was the track time. 2. Specifically stated, the issue is the 4th gear synchro. The rest are fine. The grind happens in high RPMs, no matter how quick or slowly I shift. The deciding factor is the speed as to if it will grind or not. Regarding the section about the Porsche CUP car and such, I am realistic, and I would accept responsibility for any damage done by me and my track time/modifications. Say the coilovers gave out and the car spun out, I would not dare enter a dealership, let alone expect a warranty related fix. But because this issue is a common issue in our transmissions and it can be concluded that it was not my fault. That is why I am taking these actions to have the issue remedied. I'm realistic, I understand that there's a chance I will be SOL and will be paying for this transmission myself. But since there's a chance that I could win and have this issue paid for by the company that's at fault, I don't see why I shouldn't try, and that's where I am. Thanks for your help. |
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[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odrijGp79t8"]Letting my friend drive the FRS... - YouTube[/ame] From the 3:12 mark onward. You even admitted that there may be a clutch issue from the previous owner which may have masked transmission issue(s). But yes, keep telling yourself that you need a thread like this to gather evidence. You're not the first person to want to do this and you won't be the last one to lose in a court of law, either. I've seen 25+ years of these "warranty" issues and at the end of the day, threats of a lawsuit really don't mean much when you have an entire YouTube channel dedicated to giving the defendant evidence to have this tossed in court. -alex |
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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=37129&page=7 Heres 7 pages of people discussing an identical problem to what I have, with many of them having their STOCK and NOT TRACKED cars covered under warranty. This problem, seeing how common it is, is a design flaw. Thanks for your opinion, but if I have any chance of winning this case and having the party at fault held accountable for their design flaw, I don't see why not try. |
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It doesn't matter what other people have said this is not a class action suit jut you and your car against the largest automaker in the world.
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You could have posted a tech question about the problem and asked for PMs from people that have the issue. But now, all the "evidence" Toyota needs to reject your claim is out there and cannot be recalled. Sorry. As to the banter about HPDE's and racing, of course HPDE events struggle without exception to stress it is not racing because no prizes, etc, as strat posted. However, I agree a small claims court judge will likely not buy into the nuance and is still likely to call it abuse beyond what the warranty was intended. I have an interest in this because I knew when I started track days, HPDEs, etc., back in 2003/4 that I was on my own and whatever happened, happened at my expense. Oh sure, you can buy limited insurance but you pay one way or the other, and it would not cover what you are claiming. I have no emojis to add.........
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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119248 I have gone back and forth with some on here, in a debating way. YES this car is advertised to take to the track when NOT used in a competitive way. You will find MANY advertisements stating this car was made to take to the track. It even has a "Track" Mode in the 2017 model! Is that a tease. You have it but don't take it to the track? Here's what happened when someone was denied warranty and the dealer was looking at her on YouTube. Anyway I digress, I wouldn't of posted a detailed video like you did but it's too late. If you dig a bit there is material out there from Scion and Toyota about using this car on the track. I did however contact Toyota corporate about this issue and they at first didn't know what to say about warranty claims after failure during Non-competitive use. Ultimately after a few turn arounds she stated "It's ultimately up to the servicing dealer if hey will honor the warranty work". So suing Toyota may not help but suing the dealer may get you closer to your desired outcome. Maybe a 50/50 cost split? Anyway good luck and you are fighting and setting a precedent whatever the outcome. My opinion is clear. Some may not agree but that's okay. That's their right. But hey, why not try? :P http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=21 Here's the original article, this may help you. You never know . http://jalopnik.com/subaru-dealershi...-ow-1796073277 Many vids of Tetsuya Tada not only talking about taking the car on the track but having the interview at a track! https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...y=tetsuya+tada Plenty of videos on Scion's YouTube Channel about the FR-S https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...4E8D5E1EB1F2FC
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Instead of wasting money (and time) to sue Toyota, why not spend it fixing your 4th gear synchro instead?
I am sure you can have it repaired for a lot less than $10K. Also, the definition in the warranty/insurance booklets goes along the lines of: "was being used for competitions or off-road activity" Therefore all events at a track fall into that category even if it wasn't "racing" |
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not to downplay op's situation but how on earth is any part of a tranny rebuild/replace cost 10k? id imagine that if you had to pay to rebuild the entire block it should cost that or maybe less?
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