People who just don't get it. This thread is for you!

[GrantedTaken]

"Great car, but needs more power"
"Great car, but cheap interior"
"Great car, but slow 0-60 times"
"It's slower than a mini-van!!"
"It's slower than a Camry!!"
"Feels like an economy car! Crappy head unit, meh interior, seats don't tilt, no steering wheel controls, no helpful gauges"

These uninformed statements keep recurring, and we rehash.
Let's have a thread that can be used as a reference, going forward.

I am going to collect some old posts and add them here.
Please contribute your salient postings.

Exhibit #1
Does the 325hp BMW M235i need more power?
Well, here is a BRZ against a blue BMW with 125 more HP.
You can skip ahead to the 6:00 mark. What can you conclude?
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMZk5eXT2-0[/ame]



How to tell if your car needs more HP
1) Go to track with your unmodded car

2) Use stopwatch and record a few lap times.

3) Have an instructor do a lap.

4) If your time is equal or faster, then add HP
Otherwise, your car doesn’t need horsepower.
It needs the driver mod.


"Great car, but slow 0-60 times"

Stop looking at 0-60 times. Those people have no clue what this car is about.
They do not understand why BRZ is actually a very fast car.

There is no escaping physics in terms of how fast this car can corner.
Momentum = mass • velocity

If you get beat off the line, you will fly past them as soon as the first bend in the road arrives.
They will be braking while you are still on the gas.
In the curves, the BRZ is one of the fastest cars out there.

Few modern production cars can take turns at the speed of a BRZ that weighs 2700 lbs.
Bigger cars will fly into a ditch trying to keep up with a BRZ in the corners.

I personally know guys posting faster lap times than people driving cars with twice the HP.
And on the street, the extra power is even less useful
If you think the word fast only means what happens when you press the gas pedal, you have a simple understanding of cars.

Go to a track day, and a Lotus Elise is also one of the fastest cars out there.
It has even less horsepower than a BRZ. Yet you don't hear silly people complain that it's slower than a minivan.

The BRZ is very very fast, if you know how to drive a momentum car.
The only performance upgrade you need are summer tires.

People who can't pass in this car don't know how to drive a stick.


"It's slower than a mini-van!!"

I hear this nonsense constantly regurgitated on forums.
You can't make up your own facts.

The fastest minivan on record is the Sienna V6 SE,
which has a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds.

BRZ has a 0-60 of 6.2 seconds.

BRZ has a faster 0-60 than every minivan on the road.
And it weighs half, so it will smoke any minivan in the turns, as well.

So, let's please dispense with this minivan nonsense already!
Minivans are not fast. Because data !



"It's slower than a Camry!!"

OK, so the limited edition Camry V12 Hellcat TriTurbo is faster than a BRZ ?
Therefore, all econoboxes are faster than a BRZ !!
Wrong, a base Camry is heavier, has less power, and has a slower 0-60

Somewhere in Kentucky some guy strapped a jet turbine engine onto a tricycle....
Therefore all tricycles are faster than BRZ ?

Econoboxes are not fast. Because data !


"Cheap plastic interior. Needs more cup holders!"

People who are stroking leather and discussing cup holders are not the target market of this car.
The BRZ interior is perfect. Why? Because it's light and simple. Zero bullshit.

I'll actually pay extra for manual seats.
Power seats are annoying to repair

This is what the inside of a real track race car looks like.


The BRZ has the most luxurious decked out interior in my fleet !!

• Sport seats.
• A/C
• Clock
• Bluetooth stereo.
• USB jack
• Cup holder (for change of course)

[GrantedTaken]

"Great car, but slow 0-60 times"

Stop looking at 0-60 times. Those people have no clue what this car is about.
They do not understand why BRZ is actually a very fast car.

There is no escaping physics in terms of how fast this car can corner.
Momentum = mass • velocity

If you get beat off the line, you will fly past them as soon as the first bend in the road arrives.
They will be braking while you are still on the gas.
In the curves, the BRZ is one of the fastest cars out there.

Few modern production cars can take turns at the speed of a BRZ that weighs 2700 lbs.
Bigger cars will fly into a ditch trying to keep up with a BRZ in the corners.

I personally know guys posting faster lap times than people driving cars with twice the HP.
And on the street, the extra power is even less useful
If you think the word fast only means what happens when you press the gas pedal, you have a simple understanding of cars.

Go to a track day, and a Lotus Elise is also one of the fastest cars out there.
It has even less horsepower than a BRZ. Yet you don't hear silly people complain that it's slower than a minivan.

The BRZ is very very fast, if you know how to drive a momentum car.
The only performance upgrade you need are summer tires.

People who can't pass in this car don't know how to drive a stick.

[GrantedTaken]

"It's slower than a mini-van!!"

I hear this nonsense constantly regurgitated on forums.
You can't make up your own facts.

The fastest minivan on record is the Sienna V6 SE,
which has a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds.

BRZ has a 0-60 of 6.2 seconds.

BRZ has a faster 0-60 than every minivan on the road.
And it weighs half, so it will smoke any minivan in the turns, as well.

So, let's please dispense with this minivan nonsense already!
Minivans are not fast. Because data !

[GrantedTaken]

"It's slower than a Camry!!"

OK, so the limited edition Camry V12 Hellcat TriTurbo is faster than a BRZ ?
Therefore, all econoboxes are faster than a BRZ !!
Wrong, a base Camry is heavier, has less power, and has a slower 0-60

Somewhere in Kentucky some guy strapped a jet turbine engine onto a tricycle....
Therefore all tricycles are faster than BRZ ?

Econoboxes are not fast. Because data !

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

"It's slower than a mini-van!!"

I hear this nonsense constantly regurgitated on forums.
You can't make up your own facts.

The fastest minivan on record is the Sienna V6 SE,
which has a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds.

BRZ has a 0-60 of 6.2 seconds.

BRZ has a faster 0-60 than every minivan on the road.
And it weighs half, so it will smoke any minivan in the turns, as well.

So, let's please dispense with this minivan nonsense already!
Minivans are not fast. Because data !

The fastest minivan on record is the Tesla X...

[GrantedTaken]

"Cheap plastic interior. Needs more cup holders!"

People who are stroking leather and discussing cup holders are not the target market of this car.
The BRZ interior is perfect. Why? Because it's light and simple. Zero bullshit.

I'll actually pay extra for manual seats.
Power seats are annoying to repair

This is what the inside of a real track race car looks like.


The BRZ has the most luxurious decked out interior in my fleet !!

• Sport seats.
• A/C
• Clock
• Bluetooth stereo.
• USB jack
• Cup holder (for change of course)

[Grady]

Good post but you missed the real reason most of our cars are slow. It boils down to a poor steering wheel actuator. With the proper actuator almost any car can be fast.

[Tcoat]

I have already posted all these arguments about 10,000 times. Hang on while I go gather them all up.

[NWFRS]

Are there more people out there besides myself who just don't care about speed? Especially speed measured from a dead stop. I just don't care. It's all relative. This car is faster and more reliable than everything I've owned in the past. I loved all of my old cars. This little Scion is just a natural progression from those. This car may as well be a 21st-century take on an early '70's Celica coupe. Those weren't fast by any stretch of the imagination.

[tehShirt]

@spike021


You'll enjoy this thread.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

"Cheap plastic interior. Needs more cup holders!"

People who are stroking leather and discussing cup holders are not the target market of this car.
The BRZ interior is perfect. Why? Because it's light and simple. Zero bullshit.

I'll actually pay extra for manual seats.
Power seats are annoying to repair

This is what the inside of a real track race car looks like.


The BRZ has the most luxurious decked out interior in my fleet !!

• Sport seats.
• A/C
• Clock
• Bluetooth stereo.
• USB jack
• Cup holder (for change of course)

I'm missing the cuddly toy...

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

The problem is relativity. A lot of people trash talking this car on forums have 600hp corvettes or 400whp STIs and of course to them this car is quite underwhelming. I went from a Cooper S to this, so it was more of a lateral move. While I do miss the "hyper puppy straining at the leash" nature of the Mini, the FWD and nothing above 4500 rpm were becoming tiresome, while the 86 transitions beautifully into oversteer on demand and gets happier the higher in the rev range you go. But then again, I don't know why those people are posting on the 86/BRZ forums. You don't see me posting on the Camaro forum saying "well I don't like the way it looks and the interior makes me gag". I just wouldn't waste the time. I don't gain anything. What they have to gain is superiority cause they're inherently insecure. If they see someone enjoying something, they'll do their best to ruin it. Which I really don't understand. If you have a 400-600 hp car, go enjoy it. Why are you telling others what to do. I just find it odd

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by NWFRS

This car may as well be a 21st-century take on an early '70's Celica coupe. Those weren't fast by any stretch of the imagination.

I use to own a '79 Celica GT coupe (not a 3-door), metallic brown. 20R engine. Good car, I should have kept / enjoyed her longer then I did.

[NWFRS]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

I use to own a '79 Celica GT coupe (not a 3-door), metallic brown. 20R engine. Good car, I should have kept / enjoyed her longer then I did.

Huh. Yeah those years are pretty uncommon now. I don't know if they didn't sell well or what. They're grown on me quite a bit in recent years. I can even picture the color you're talking about. We'll probably start seeing them on BaT any day now for crazy money.

Yeah I should never have sold mine either. I used to have four first-generation Celicas but only the '74 GT Coupe was restored and modified. It really was one of a kind. I don't even have a photo of it now. It went to a nurse named Oscar in the San Francisco Bay area.