(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If you want to be really picky it started earlier than that when they started messing with the suspension in 15.

Suspension setup is the main reason I chose FR-S over the BRZ even though stylistically I liked the front end better on the BRZ. It's also the reason my FR-S is still on stock suspension... like the 2013 noticeably stiffer rear ratio with more playful nature... can't imagine liking the more neutral, 'buttoned down' tuning better. Thinking I will be going Bilstein B6 dampers with TRD springs - because it's about time for new dampers and would like a slight drop while keeping same stock like nature/balance of the car...

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Ah~ fakes vents... Love those ppl complain cuz you can't just pop it out and make it work, it must be fake. Even though it's been used by GRMN Supra to race in VLN 24hr races. You actually have to make it work, but well, it's not connected to anything and Toyota doesn't provide any parts, it must be for the "looks"... SMH I'll admit, door vents doesn't make sense, but I'm no engineer.

I am an engineer, and door vents don't make sense either, outside of that was the location that looked right from an 'artists' point of view. Looked good in clay I bet.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Is it too early to start the “If the 2nd gen is shit what do we get instead?” thread?

for me, there aren't any newer options. i don't want a backup camera, or lane assist, or automatic braking, or steering wheel controls, and the car needs to be able to sit for a week without the radio installed(most won't).

i'm not even fully convinced that i want anything newer than '14, despite the information that '20 will be the last/best model year for this version. i don't want the dash screen of all of it.

[Kiske]

Originally Posted by soundman98

for me, there aren't any newer options.

Ya'know- I think I could manage.

[Broseph]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Ya'know- I think I could manage.

DROOL

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

When I worked at a Toyota dealership back in 2005 as the used sales lot attendant I actually had the opportunity to drive both a used MR-2 Spyder and a used Porsche Boxster within the same week. Both were on the lot. The MR-2 Spyder was, to me, the clear winner. Watched enough Best Motoring to know that a 2ZZ swapped MR-2 Spyder would be no joke. It was a blast with just the 1ZZ. Stock, it was far more fun than the Boxster.

That's surprising. I drove a Boxster S after our Spyder got totalled. I thought the Boxster was like the MR2, but just better. I imagine a 2zz swap, new bushings and some coilovers would get the same feel out of an MR2 though

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I really hope you're wrong...

I guess we can get a 2021 if we have to replace our older cars.

How ironic would it be, if the next gen is looking like a turd, to have a late rush on the final MY of gen 1? It’s usually the opposite problem, when a new gen model is coming, especially for a sportscar, sales of the existing model decline hard because everyone is holding out for the new one, the latest and greatest, and no-one wants to buy the model about to be superseded. Bizarre to think that in 2021-22 buyers might actually be seeking out the last of gen I instead of a gen II.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Red-86

How ironic would it be, if the next gen is looking like a turd, to have a late rush on the final MY of gen 1? It’s usually the opposite problem, when a new gen model is coming, especially for a sportscar, sales of the existing model decline hard because everyone is holding out for the new one, the latest and greatest, and no-one wants to buy the model about to be superseded. Bizarre to think that in 2021-22 buyers might actually be seeking out the last of gen I instead of a gen II.

I'm not sure us enthusiasts account for enough of the car's buyer base to affect it significantly. I could be wrong though.

[PetrolioBenzina]

I wonder if they will market Gen2 as heavily as they have the first gen. The only ads I hear for a Toyota in Portland are for the Celica.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I'm not sure us enthusiasts account for enough of the car's buyer base to accept it significantly. I could be wrong though.

We're probably a rounding error. Small enough, it seems, to totally ignore us.

[flyboy2160]

If the rumored bloat - with the same power - is true, I have to ask the marketers: what buying segment and competitor's cars are you going after? Can't be the Miata/Twins 'real' sportscar crowd. The 4 Cyl. Mustang? The Z? The wives of the current Miata/Twins buyers? Who are you targeting to make you think you'll sell more cars? Do you think some Soccer Mom will buy one instead of Her Massive SUV Keeps That Her Precious Baby Safe From All Crashes (the original SUV marketing results)?

[soundman98]

they're going for all the I'LL TRADE IN MY GT500 CAMARO IF THEY MAKE A 86 WITH 350 HP internet commentators...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

tbh I don't wanna be right. In full honesty, I want next gen 86 to success... but atm brands are not listening to the right consumers and let the money talk more than enthusiast's voice.

Subaru also has a voice. Tadasan and the rest of Toyota were never a hope for this car for several years now, hell they barely were for the first gen imo. Tada wanted it, sure, but toyota is, and has been, a shitshow for decades. I still have some hope in Subaru. And they release their EV right after the BRZ which also gives me hope.

As fucked up as it is to say... at least there are american performance cars available now.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Tada wanted it, sure, but toyota is, and has been, a shitshow for decades.

Yeah,you're going to need to further explain that part of your statement.