Good News Concerning the D4-S Boxer!

[OldSkoolToys]

About the Subaru flat four... They did manage to conjure up a tuned exhaust port and equal length, unequal diameter runners...and the result is that this flat four exhibits none of the "blap blap blap" noises akin to older Subaru flat 4's. It sounds very much like a inline 4 now, and unless you peek under the hood, most people will be hard pressed to know its not a straight 4. Very crisp, sounds and extremely light and responsive throttle.

So my primary concern is now somewhat addressed and the car, if all else is good, with proven Aisin 6 speed manual transmission and well tuned chassis, would be a very attractive product for sub-$30,000 price tag.

Quoted from Moto-P himself off of club4ag. Heres the topic thread if you want to check it out:http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=60965

Although Moto sites no official source for this information, he HIMSELF, is a credible source of information on this car. If anyone remembers my saying, Moto was brought to Japan by Toyota to discuss this car and what he, and us AE86/4A-GE fanatics, would like to see out of the car. Such is his renown as a Toyota fan here in the states.

This information made me extremely happy, as I was concerned the use of a boxer engine wouldn't really revive the feel of the old school traditional Toyota DOHC engines. But from what he's saying, it'll feel much like our beloved 4A-GE.

[White Comet]

This is my reaction to this news, if it is in fact true.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by White Comet

This is my reaction to this news, if it is in fact true.

I'd say bring the tears. Moto has more experience with this car, as an outside enthusiast, than anyone else I'd venture to say.

And he wouldn't say something like that unless it was true.

My reaction, of course, is

[Hachiroku]

[Bochet]

Dear Aftermarket,

Please make a set of UEL headers so this sounds like a proper boxer engine.

Regards,
Bochet

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by Bochet

Dear Aftermarket,

Please make a set of UEL headers so this sounds like a proper boxer engine.

Regards,
Bochet

I can see this being a popular mod as some people love the sound of a boxer rumble.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

I can see this being a popular mod as some people love the sound of a boxer rumble.

To each their own.

Need more people to respond to this. I think Toyota fans are severely outnumbered by boxer junkies on these forums.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

To each their own.

I think Toyota fans are severely outnumbered by boxer junkies on these forums.

Funny i felt the complete opposite as you AE86 guys always gang up on me, lol.

[White Comet]

To me it depends on whether or not the car is boosted; because of the power difference. An UEL would be a downgrade as far as power goes, but it may not amount to much in a naturally aspirated car.

Even if so, I'm not into the idea of spending money to decrease power, even if only by a fraction. I'm sure I'll enjoy the sound of the car with improved piping anyway. If I want boxer rumble, well... that's what I have my 'rex for!

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

Funny i felt the complete opposite as you AE86 guys always gang up on me, lol.

We AE86 guys stick together.

The few, the proud, the mar-err, insane.

[4agze]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

We AE86 guys stick together.

The few, the proud, the mar-err, insane.

true, thats what i love the most about AE86 people we all help each other its like motorcycle riders when they see each other on the road they are given a thumbs up, a smile and a head nod. for the sound i dont really care about it, im more on performance i dont judge the car by sound i judge them by numbers i want to see what time its making in the nur ring, how many sec 0-60mph, slalom speed, cornering speed, g-force rate, 60-0 brake distance and more.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by White Comet

To me it depends on whether or not the car is boosted; because of the power difference. An UEL would be a downgrade as far as power goes, but it may not amount to much in a naturally aspirated car.

Even if so, I'm not into the idea of spending money to decrease power, even if only by a fraction. I'm sure I'll enjoy the sound of the car with improved piping anyway. If I want boxer rumble, well... that's what I have my 'rex for!

huh? EL header and UEL head has almost no difference in HP/TQ. In turbo is waste of money to make UEL header, cuz of turbo.

IIRC in NA, UEL header had power in the low end, while EL has power in high end. EL or UEL, it all depends in if you want the boxer engine sound and which one you want the power in Low or High end.

[YourFearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

huh? EL header and UEL head has almost no difference in HP/TQ. In turbo is waste of money to make UEL header, cuz of turbo.

IIRC in NA, UEL header had power in the low end, while EL has power in high end. EL or UEL, it all depends in if you want the boxer engine sound and which one you want the power in Low or High end.

I believe this to be untrue. With an EL manifold, you are going to create more HP per PSI in a turbo application.

Not sure about the NA application, but I would assume the gains/losses are marginal.

If thats what you meant, sorry for the post!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by YourFearlessLeader

I believe this to be untrue. With an EL manifold, you are going to create more HP per PSI in a turbo application.

Not sure about the NA application, but I would assume the gains/losses are marginal.

If thats what you meant, sorry for the post!

No worries. Yup you got my Engrish correct.
Turbo, there's no point making an UEL header. It's just waste of money.