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I have had a DI issue and was fixed under warranty (Subaru) | 10 | 12.35% | |
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was fixed under warranty (Subaru) | 2 | 2.47% | |
I have had a DI issue and was fixed under warranty (Toyota) | 31 | 38.27% | |
I have had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was fixed under warranty (Toyota) | 3 | 3.70% | |
I have had a DI issue and denied warranty by (Subaru) | 7 | 8.64% | |
I have had a DI issue and denied warranty by (Toyota) | 14 | 17.28% | |
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was Denied warranty (Subaru) | 8 | 9.88% | |
I had a DI issue that caused Engine Failure and was Denied warranty (Toyota) | 6 | 7.41% | |
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06-14-2013, 10:19 AM | #99 | |
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But I do hope you are right, the way the ECUtek encrypts the ECU never set well with me. This is what an 8 bit processor ECU? Ever use encryption on a 64 bit processor (slows it down considerably.) It would be really nice to dismiss this entire issue as bad tuning/ECUtek issues, but Mike is adamant that his ECU is stock and gave it to Subaru for proof. I am sure some of these failures are tune related but I don't think we can say all of them are?
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I'm not sure that's the case. Let's remember that the only ones who have 1st hand knowledge of what's been done to these cars are the owners. You void your warranty if you make power mods, especially ones that may cause lean AF issues and cause major problems, or race the car. Read the warranty contract. Can they refuse to pay for heat damage when they see a ECU has been re-flashed? You better believe it. Try and see things from the makers side. How many "free" motors are they supposed to provide? Guess who pays for them in the end? I've never blown a motor in 5 years on track. Might have something to do with the fact that I've never found it necessary to mess with my cars' ECU. You want to play R&D with a new platform? Its called "pay to play". Don't ask the maker and its customers to pay for your actions. I've been driving Toyotas for 33 years. If there's a manufacturing problem, they will sort it out and make it right at their expense. They have a proven record of doing right by owners, and they proved it again going above and beyond by giving "track warrior" a free motor. I don't have any experience with Subaru, but if a legit problem is found, my guess would be they will follow the precedent set by Toyota.
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Again, they cannot void the warranty simply for driving on a track in a HDPE. The warranty verbiage states that competition events will void your warranty. HPDE's are by definition, not competition events. There would have to be another component, like abuse or neglect in order for it to stick.
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Ok, but autocross is considered competition even though it only lasts a short time or is it not?
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It is timed, so it is a competitive event. My current local favorite HP driving venue is open track day (OTD) @ Texas World Speedway 2.9 mile road course. Fours hours of open track for solo approved drivers. Driving a road course multiple 20+ minute sessions will heat things up quite a bit more than a AX run.
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Well, I guess in that case I just need to hope for my injector seals to hold up since I did this not on GT5: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38133
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^Light or no light, there is definitely a problem there. I would take that problem straight to the dealer, after I called to give them the opportunity to tow it in. Since my car is stock back to the rear axle, I don't see how they could refuse warranty unless they knew it had been raced or re-flashed.
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Didn't they already put a new motor in your car so they could troubleshoot your 1st motor? Is that video of your 1st or 2nd motor?
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or more so for the guys who's injector seals are still in tact but the injectors are still burnt past the seal? And more interesting, there are alot of people who track their cars with a tune on this forum but its not happening to them? thats why i'm guessing the blame is on a rare case of tolerances during manufacturing
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Mike, I searched "Mike Kang BRZ" as you suggested in your thread. I think there are some things working against you here. 1st, those videos are mostly all "timed events", as evidenced in the titles. Warranties and insurance do not like that. Insurance and car companies can't insure/warrant cars used for racing (timed) because it is not economically viable. Second, you've had two identical motor issues, similar to those known to coincidentally result from lean condition AM "tune" failures. Given the ratio of cars in service to cars with DI leaks, adjusted for those that had the ECU played with, what are the odds that one car with no tune would have this happen twice? I don't know the number, but as it stands currently, the odds are astronomically in favor of something other than a manufacturing issue affecting your car. Those odds are doubled since its happened twice. I'm not accusing you of being dishonest, but I understand Subaru's position. Here's a general question: If the ECU is re-flashed, what data is left of driving parameters and ECU AM tuning? Is it possible to erase that data so the dealer can't see it?
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