Toyota Echo MT Nightmare! - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

zooandbio4me · 01-15-2018, 03:40 PM

I know this isn't exactly the right place, but I cannot find an answer for the life of me!!
I bought a 02 echo with a MT. Ad stated it needed a new trans, that a clutch was put in about 6 months ago...
Jacked up the front, started, put in gear, wheels turn, seems fine?
Road test: Start in 1st gear, everything seems fine. Shift to second, going about 20mph... SCREEEEEEECH. Both front wheels lock up like you tried your best to put the brake pedal through the floor!!!! Engine stayed alive as I pressed in the clutch asap... Tried to move in 1st, wheels are locked.
Friend with a truck pulls the car a few feet... Car is free to move now, but does the same thing again in 1st gear SCREEEECH.
I'm assuming this is a catastrophic transmission failure? Thing is, I can't find anyone, with any kind of car via google that this has ever happened to.
It's relatively hard to source a reasonable priced echo MT.
So... Before I go buying a new trans, any suggestions? Input? Comments, smart remarks? Thanks for the help!!!

Teseo · 01-15-2018, 03:58 PM

Civic... triggered

x808drifter · 01-15-2018, 03:59 PM

Find another trans or another car.
The trans is toast.

Mr.ac · 01-15-2018, 04:01 PM

Well, nothing more I can say than it's the tranny.
Pretty much the only way to know for sure is to take out the tranny and open her up. At that point your pretty much halfway done.

venturaII · 01-15-2018, 04:03 PM

Boneyard transmission for an Echo can't be that expensive..?

EDIT: curiosity got the best of me so I did a little searching and it looks like $500 is an average price for a used transmission. Hope you have tools.

bababooey · 01-15-2018, 04:08 PM

any chance the guys on the nissan z forum were of any help? or maybe the hummer forum.

you win the award of most random question thus far this year! the prize crew is coming by in a creepy van

gtengr · 01-15-2018, 04:14 PM

sounds like the ad was accurate

humfrz · 01-15-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by zooandbio4me

I know this isn't exactly the right place, but I cannot find an answer for the life of me!!
I bought a 02 echo with a MT. ....................... Before I go buying a new trans, any suggestions? Input? Comments, smart remarks? Thanks for the help!!!

Welcome to ...... The Forum......

Yep, it does sound like your transmission is messed up.

I figure the cost of a transmission plus labor to install it, would be more than the car is worth.

I'd suggest you give it away or junk it.

Time to let er go.

humfrz

Lynxis · 01-15-2018, 05:10 PM

Check your local scrap yards and be prepared to put some elbow grease into it if you don't want to pay a fortune in labour.

Brink · 01-15-2018, 05:54 PM

Engine swap a 2.0L boxer engine and matching transmission into it. You can probably find someone around here to sell you one.

nocoolname · 01-15-2018, 06:06 PM

The echo and the early Tercels used the same trans. With that, you could probably use your echo trans bellhousing and bolt it to a c56 which should be more plentiful. Not sure on axles or the far upper trans mount. I say probably because I've done the other way in using a C56 bellhousing to the tercel trans to put a 1zz into a tercel. Beer and boredom make dumb things happen.

why? · 01-15-2018, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nocoolname

The echo and the early Tercels used the same trans. With that, you could probably use your echo trans bellhousing and bolt it to a c56 which should be more plentiful. Not sure on axles or the far upper trans mount. I say probably because I've done the other way in using a C56 bellhousing to the tercel trans to put a 1zz into a tercel. Beer and boredom make dumb things happen.

don't forget the Yaris. Transmissions are plentiful. $400-$500 seems to be the range, same for the engine as well.

op should check yarisworld. It is a shell of its former self, but there are still some good people that check in every so often.

Summerwolf · 01-15-2018, 07:09 PM

Have you double checked the clutch install? I doubt that would be it after your description but I had a vehicle before that would lock the clutch up after it got hot and you could break it free forcefully or let it cool down. Cold and in neutral it would roll back and forth without issue.

zooandbio4me · 01-18-2018, 02:49 PM

Thanks for all of the posts guys! Posted in an echo forum somewhere and got crickets!! I've been a mechanic most of my life, bought the car for $100 with intentions of flipping it.
Does anyone know for sure if I can just take any c150 trans (Yaris, paseo, Tercel etc) and swap the bell housing? Are the axle splines going to be the same? I've found a pulled, tested and good echo trans for around $420 shipped but there are plenty of Tercels and a few paseos maybe one Yaris in a local yard... Thanks again guys!!

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zooandbio4me Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Drives: 01 Echo, 01 prelude, 99 civic Location: Ogden, UT Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toyota Echo MT Nightmare! I know this isn't exactly the right place, but I cannot find an answer for the life of me!! I bought a 02 echo with a MT. Ad stated it needed a new trans, that a clutch was put in about 6 months ago... Jacked up the front, started, put in gear, wheels turn, seems fine? Road test: Start in 1st gear, everything seems fine. Shift to second, going about 20mph... SCREEEEEEECH. Both front wheels lock up like you tried your best to put the brake pedal through the floor!!!! Engine stayed alive as I pressed in the clutch asap... Tried to move in 1st, wheels are locked. Friend with a truck pulls the car a few feet... Car is free to move now, but does the same thing again in 1st gear SCREEEECH. I'm assuming this is a catastrophic transmission failure? Thing is, I can't find anyone, with any kind of car via google that this has ever happened to. It's relatively hard to source a reasonable priced echo MT. So... Before I go buying a new trans, any suggestions? Input? Comments, smart remarks? Thanks for the help!!! Last edited by zooandbio4me; 01-15-2018 at 03:41 PM. Reason: Email notification

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Mr.ac [insert cool phrase here] Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: BRZ Premium Location: Central Coast CA Posts: 2,369 Thanks: 709 Thanked 1,558 Times in 930 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well, nothing more I can say than it's the tranny. Pretty much the only way to know for sure is to take out the tranny and open her up. At that point your pretty much halfway done. __________________ New daily driver - Subaru BRZ Premium Weekend fun/track car - '91 MR2 Turbo Gen3 Old daily driver - '88 MR2 Supercharged

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nocoolname Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Drives: 2013 BRZ Location: Kentucky Posts: 66 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The echo and the early Tercels used the same trans. With that, you could probably use your echo trans bellhousing and bolt it to a c56 which should be more plentiful. Not sure on axles or the far upper trans mount. I say probably because I've done the other way in using a C56 bellhousing to the tercel trans to put a 1zz into a tercel. Beer and boredom make dumb things happen. __________________ 2001 MR-S - long, slow, rebuild 2000 MR-S - 2zz swapped daily 2013 BRZ limited - new toy

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Teseo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: frs Location: Gunsai Posts: 4,877 Thanks: 7,143 Thanked 2,922 Times in 1,769 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Civic... triggered

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bababooey Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: BRZ SWP Limited -6MT Location: HillCountry-TX Posts: 420 Thanks: 145 Thanked 158 Times in 103 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	any chance the guys on the nissan z forum were of any help? or maybe the hummer forum. you win the award of most random question thus far this year! the prize crew is coming by in a creepy van

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gtengr Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Drives: 2017 BRZ Location: USA Posts: 655 Thanks: 326 Thanked 258 Times in 177 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	sounds like the ad was accurate

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Brink Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: 2017 BRZ Location: CA Posts: 665 Thanks: 200 Thanked 392 Times in 236 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Engine swap a 2.0L boxer engine and matching transmission into it. You can probably find someone around here to sell you one.

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Summerwolf Panda Trueno Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: No twin now. Location: North Indiana Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 2,113 Thanked 2,407 Times in 1,332 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Have you double checked the clutch install? I doubt that would be it after your description but I had a vehicle before that would lock the clutch up after it got hot and you could break it free forcefully or let it cool down. Cold and in neutral it would roll back and forth without issue.

01-18-2018, 02:49 PM	#14
zooandbio4me Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Drives: 01 Echo, 01 prelude, 99 civic Location: Ogden, UT Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thanks for all of the posts guys! Posted in an echo forum somewhere and got crickets!! I've been a mechanic most of my life, bought the car for $100 with intentions of flipping it. Does anyone know for sure if I can just take any c150 trans (Yaris, paseo, Tercel etc) and swap the bell housing? Are the axle splines going to be the same? I've found a pulled, tested and good echo trans for around $420 shipped but there are plenty of Tercels and a few paseos maybe one Yaris in a local yard... Thanks again guys!! Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk

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