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Not picking on you, but I see similar posts all the time and I just don't get it. Some people,and maybe not you, seem to think that this car will be ruined with a turbo or some other way of making this car with 270 hp. As if increasing the power will somehow make it less fun? I've never heard anyone outside this forum make such statements but here people act as if we would be ruining something sacred.
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Of course the 2014/15 model will be different but not always better. Take the 2012 civic as an example. Also what happens is with these upgrades comes a price hike ie. the new genesis, gtr, 370z. Toyota is pretty good with keeping designs for a good 5-6 years with a mid cycle refresh in between so if you're really going to wait for the next gen you're going to be waiting almost half a decade. Like someone else has said its 2012 tests and r&d have come along way so those bugs and kinks you're waiting to be worked out may not even be there. Best choice to me if you're not buying brand new is to get a used one with low miles after several months of release.
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and while testing and r&d has been greatly improved cars have also gotten significantly more complex. we now have bluetooth and touch screen radios to worry about. While the problems with major components (engine, trans, etc) may have gone down in the last 10 years , the total number of problems is staying about the same. To me, problems are problems and if I have to have it in the shop then I can't drive it so it doesn't make a huge difference what is wrong. |
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[QUOTE=KevinDuMa;133702]Of course the 2014/15 model will be different but not always better. Take the 2012 civic as an example. Also what happens is with these upgrades comes a price hike ie. the new genesis, gtr, 370z. Toyota is pretty good with keeping designs for a good 5-6 years with a mid cycle refresh in between so if you're really going to wait for the next gen you're going to be waiting almost half a decade. Like someone else has said its 2012 tests and r&d have come along way so those bugs and kinks you're waiting to be worked out may not even be there. Best choice to me if you're not buying brand new is to get a used one with low miles after several months of release.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm thinking of doing. Once I get a handle on my permanant finances, I can see myself buying a very lightly used FR-S from someone who thought they could afford it but really couldn't. Only issue then is finding one with the accessories/options you wanted. |
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Boxer 4, 6 and 8 engines are superior to all other engines. Why most use V8 is because they are the most compact engines, and why most use I4 is because they have a better price/performance ratio.
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This is 100 % true and for fact the 911 and the Cayman are the best handling cars, and the Boxer engines are the reason for that. Boxer engines have ONLY advantages if not to talk about cost, because the car has to be built around the engine and the engine itself is more expensive. If the GT86 had a true mid-front 2.5l H4 with dry sump making 300 PS it would be the best car, but it would maybe cost 50.000 € and you as many other would not buy it. Prove me you are right. |
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I have to admit that if this thing cost $50,000+ no matter how good it was I'd be out.
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